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How do we conclude what we "feel"?

Edward April 30, 2019 at 12:03 5325 views 20 comments
What exactly do we mean when we state a feeling? What does it mean when we claim a feeling that we're not currently experiencing?

Question: Are you in love?

How do we conclude an answer to this question? Clearly we do have answers, but they're usually answered without prior rumination.

If our attention, or awareness, in a moment is focused on something that isn't love then how can we claim to be in love?

Perhaps blanket statements about emotion are concluded based upon an analysis of "what percentage of time did I feel this emotion in the last month"?

Comments (20)

Shamshir April 30, 2019 at 12:31 #283922
Love, like other feelings, I would deem to be like glasses.

Regardless where we look, we look through our glasses - so we are in love.

The putting on and off of the glasses is conscious, albeit spontaneous.

Feel, comes and goes like the wind; where does it come from, where does it go? Who knows?
But when the breeze washes over us, we are immediately conscious of it and know - the wind has arrived.
The way wind changes our temperature, so feel changes a part of us, and we conclude - we feel.
Relativist April 30, 2019 at 19:52 #284121
Quoting Edward
What exactly do we mean when we state a feeling?

The meaning is the feeling itself. The words are an attempt to convey the fact that this feeling is being held, and it can only be truly understood by someone who has experienced that feeling.The same is true of all qualia. The word "red" means the that property of perception that we label "red". A person who has been totally blind from birth cannot truly understand what red is.

ArguingWAristotleTiff May 01, 2019 at 00:15 #284209
Quoting Relativist
The same is true of all qualia.

Speak to me of "qualia" if you would be so kind? I have heard much around it in my time here on the forum and I never really looked into it. If you are busy then please disregard my question.

Relativist May 01, 2019 at 01:07 #284241
Reply to ArguingWAristotleTiff Qualia (which is the plural of "quale") are sensory experiences, such as the sensation of headache pain or the experience of the color red. Because a blind person (if blind from birth) has never experienced the redness of an object, they cannot truly know the color red (or any other color) - this quale "redness" is meaningless to such a person, although they can gain some propositional knowledge about the concept of color (e.g. wavelength range, knowing what objects are red, the concept of mixing paints or combining light colors...).

Imagine creating an artificial intelligence that can identify the color red based on measuring the wavelength of the light reflected by objects. This AI will still not experience red as we do. Some suggest that your experience of redness isn't even the same as mine - but there's no objective way to know whether this is true or not (I personally believe that we do experience redness very similarly, but not identically).
SethRy May 01, 2019 at 01:23 #284246
Quoting Edward
If our attention, or awareness, in a moment is focused on something that isn't love then how can we claim to be in love?


I think it's more of a linguistic challenge than a problem of certainty in emotion. We are always in love; from family, friends, and self-actualizing passions. The question 'are you in love?' in our contemporary society inclines more to asking if you're in a relationship, as oppose to having the capacity to feel love.

Love, is more of an action than a method of abstract status - like happiness or anger. This disparity also contributes to this problem more being linguistically, rather than of certainty.



SethRy May 01, 2019 at 01:24 #284247
Reply to ArguingWAristotleTiff Reply to Relativist

If the provided answer was not enough perhaps the thought experiment 'Mary's room' will give more meaning?
Merkwurdichliebe May 01, 2019 at 01:27 #284248
@Edward
Bruce Lee:Don't think. FEEL. It's like a finger pointing at the moon. Do not concentrate on the finger, or you will miss all of the heavenly glory.
VagabondSpectre May 01, 2019 at 01:31 #284250
I just can't resist posting this @Merkwurdichliebe:

Be water my friend:

Merkwurdichliebe May 01, 2019 at 01:40 #284254
Reply to VagabondSpectre

Running water never goes stale.
whollyrolling May 01, 2019 at 01:54 #284260
Reply to Edward

Love is a traceable notion that supersedes time because it is nature. Love isn't an emotion, it's a biological commitment to mating for life. It might raise emotions within us, but it's based on something primal.
Merkwurdichliebe May 01, 2019 at 02:00 #284263
Quoting whollyrolling
Love isn't an emotion, it's a biological commitment to mating for life. It might raise emotions within us, but it's based on something primal.


That is how love is in the sense of eros. But at the level of philia, storge, or agape, such an explanation does not only seem inadequate, but also somewhat perverse.
SethRy May 01, 2019 at 02:05 #284268
Quoting whollyrolling
Love isn't an emotion, it's a biological commitment to mating for life. It might raise emotions within us, but it's based on something primal.


Also explain self-actualization or doing something you're passionate about, isn't that love?
Merkwurdichliebe May 01, 2019 at 02:42 #284294
Quoting SethRy
Also explain self-actualization or doing something you're passionate about, isn't that love?


Like the love of wisdom, right?
whollyrolling May 01, 2019 at 02:52 #284295
Reply to SethRy

Self-actualization as in Jesus or Jann Arden, like in how to be successful class in high school? Passion is a drive toward something, a compulsion.
Merkwurdichliebe May 01, 2019 at 02:55 #284298
Quoting whollyrolling
Passion is a drive toward something, a compulsion.


Don't forget it is, at a primal level, like fear and sex
SethRy May 01, 2019 at 06:19 #284360
Quoting whollyrolling
Self-actualization as in Jesus or Jann Arden, like in how to be successful class in high school? Passion is a drive toward something, a compulsion


Maslow's theory of Self-actualization. Perhaps you've heard of?
whollyrolling May 01, 2019 at 13:16 #284456
Reply to SethRy

Yes, I've heard of it, but I'm not sure what you're trying to communicate, you aren't saying anything about it.
Terrapin Station May 01, 2019 at 13:23 #284460
How do we conclude what we "feel"?

Introspection.

What does it mean when we claim a feeling that we're not currently experiencing?

That in the relevant situations, which we're at least periodically in, we have that emotion.
Relativist May 01, 2019 at 14:47 #284503
How do we conclude what we "feel"?

To be precise, the actual experiencing of a feeling is not a conclusion. The describing or labelling of a feeling entails a conclusion that relates a standard semantic description of a feeling-word (or phrase) to one's introspective analysis of the feeling that is experienced.
Possibility May 02, 2019 at 00:11 #284748
Quoting whollyrolling
Love is a traceable notion that supersedes time because it is nature. Love isn't an emotion, it's a biological commitment to mating for life. It might raise emotions within us, but it's based on something primal.


Marriage is a commitment to mating for life - if it were biological, we wouldn’t need divorce. Love is doing what I can to enable another to do what they can - it is an awareness and actualising of potentiality. Yes, it is based on something primal, but I think it’s more primal even than biology. Love, in my opinion, is pre-conscious.

Desire brings another’s potentiality to our attention, along with its connection to our own, in a particularly profound way. This is because we have learned to be very attentive to this feeling. It serves us well as an organism. Love can develop from this situation, as it can also develop from similar interests, familiarity or sharing an intense situation, among other scenarios.

But one could just as easily ignore this deeper call to enable, encourage and support the actualising of potentiality in another, and focus instead on serving their own needs/desire. They might both call this ‘love’ for a time, but in reality one is focused only on receiving love and the other on giving it. This is a recipe for conflict, not love. Not to say love cannot eventually develop, but it won’t come easy.

As for being ‘in love’ - I think this is a complex emotion in which one is aware of love through desire. It is a whole body consciousness of this intertwining of potentiality: recognising that the two of us can achieve more together than we could alone. It is very much tied to our awareness, so is subject to our fears as much as our senses, and is far from a constant emotion.

But love itself is constant, and only needs us to be aware of each other’s potentiality.