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Self-explanatory facts

Philarete September 12, 2018 at 09:05 13275 views 36 comments
Hi all,

Della Rocca (2014) evokes an argument from the Principle of Sufficient Reason (PSR) to the existence of a self-explainer. Here's the argument (my reconstruction):

Assume PSR : every fact has a metaphysical explanation. If to possess a metaphysical explanation is to be grounded by one or several fact(s), then the PSR seems to commit us to the view that there only exists grounded facts. But now, consider the entire series of grounded facts. PSR implies that the fact that this series exists must have an explanation. But then, what is the reason for this series' existence ? Is it grounded in something else or not ? In other words : is the series explained by something other than itself, or is it self-explanatory ?

Supposing that the series is grounded/explained by something other than itself leads to contradiction. Indeed, this series is the entire series of grounded facts. If the existence of the series were a fact grounded by something else, this very fact should be part of the series. But this would imply that the series is grounded in itself, contra the initial assumption. Therefore, the series cannot be explained by something other than itself. It is thus self-explaining.

This argument, as I see it, could be represented as :

(P1) Every fact has an explanation (PSR)
(P2) There exists a series S of all grounded facts
(C1) The fact that S exists must have an explanation (P1, P2)
(P3) Either S is explained by something else than itself, either it is self-explanatory
(P4) S cannot be explained by something else than itself
(C2) Therefore, S is self-explanatory (C1, P3, P4)


This argument, clearly, mirrors the structure of cosmological arguments based on the PSR. Now, my question is the following : how would you attack this argument, in a way other than denying (P2), i.e. that there exists a series of all grounded facts ? I am generally in agreement with (P2) but am very reluctant to admit the existence of self-explanatory facts. How would you work your way around this ?

Thanks in advance for your help
Philarete



Comments (36)

Shawn September 12, 2018 at 09:11 #211953
Are self-explanatory facts the same thing as brute facts, and if not how do they differ? Just clarifying some terminology that I'm and possibly others are accustomed to.
Philarete September 12, 2018 at 09:22 #211954
I think that the answer is no, in this particular case : a brute fact is a fact which isn't grounded (explained) by anything at all, even itself. A self-explanatory fact is grounded and explained by itself, hence it is not brute. A self-explanatory fact implies to drop the irreflexivity of grounding and explanation; while a brute fact doesn't.
Shawn September 12, 2018 at 10:22 #211961
Could you explain what do you mean by "self-explanatory"? I'm not sure about their ontological status wrt. to brute facts, if that makes any sense. Meaning, that you could have P2 negated by having P1 dependant on brute facts (or appealing to brute facts in general) and still maintain consistency of being self-explanatory since brute facts are of greater ontological significance than self-explanatory facts while remaining grounded in reason?
Streetlight September 12, 2018 at 10:26 #211962
I know you said not to attack P2, but there's a way to do it which I think might be really interesting, which is to question whether or not S can really constitute a totality. I'm borrowing here from Meillassoux's 'argument from power sets' in his After Finitude, but the idea is that for every set of facts S, we can always generate another, additional fact by taking the power set of S (the set of all subsets of S), which will always yield a set S' with more elements than our original set S: that is, it will always contain one additional fact not contained in our original set of facts S. This procedure can be repeated to generate sets of ever increasing cardinality (set size) so that from S' you can generate S", and from S'', S''' and so on ad infinitum.

What this allows you to do is question the hard and fast distinction in (P3) between S and something other than S, insofar S cannot be understood to be a self-contained totality in the first place: with S alone, one can generate something other than S. This line of attack doesn't so much deny that S can or cannot be self-explanatory, so much as put into question what it might even mean for something to be self-explanatory (or, alternatively, be 'explained by something else'). It frames the whole exercise as a kind of paralogism in Kant's sense, an attempt to deal with a whole that cannot in fact be made whole to begin with.

I think what this opens up is the question of what even constitutes a fact, and necessitates a look into the means by which facts are individuated, but that's probably a bit much to deal with here.
Shawn September 12, 2018 at 10:30 #211963
Reply to StreetlightX

Then epistemic/ontological closure, then is a fictitious concept?
Streetlight September 12, 2018 at 10:34 #211967
Reply to Posty McPostface Can you set out your reasoning? I don't want to have to guess at it, especially because I'm not super familiar with that whole debate.
Shawn September 12, 2018 at 10:36 #211968
Quoting StreetlightX
Can you set out your reasoning?


Epistemic closure consists in entailment. If entailment cannot be achieved by negation of totality in your previous awesome post, then epistemic closure fails?
Streetlight September 12, 2018 at 10:51 #211977
Quoting Posty McPostface
If entailment cannot be achieved by negation of totality


I'm still not sure what this means.
Shawn September 12, 2018 at 10:52 #211979
Quoting StreetlightX
I'm still not sure what this means.


Sorry, I'll think about it and get back later. Don't want to deviate from the topic question.

Thanks!
MindForged September 12, 2018 at 18:37 #212046
Reply to StreetlightX I think he's saying that if you cannot ever close one's set of beliefs under logical entailment because you're saying you could always yield new facts by taking the power set of the set of facts, doesn't epistemic closure fail? (sounds correct to me). After all, the facts are constantly increasing so even if I know that X is the case, since the facts can always increase I cannot say I can always determine that X implies Y is the case.

P.S. I like Meillassoux's work. I'm not very fond of the PSR as a metaphysical principle.
Shawn September 13, 2018 at 19:09 #212249
Dfpolis September 16, 2018 at 15:29 #212815
Reply to Philarete Whatever explains something explains it in light what it is -- it is the kind of thing that can effect what needs an explanation. So, if something is to be self-explaining, what it is must entail that it is.

What can this mean? Following Plato's hint in the Sophist, we can say that anything that can act in any way exists. This makes existence convertible with the unspecified ability to act. Correlatively, what a thing is (its essence) can be explicated as the specification of its possible acts.

So, for what something is (its essence), to explain that it is (its existence) requires that the specification of its possible acts entails the unspecified ability to act. In other words, what it is can place no limitations on its capacity to act. Thus, it must be able to do any logically possible act (be omnipotent).
SophistiCat September 16, 2018 at 16:58 #212826
Quoting Philarete
Now, my question is the following : how would you attack this argument, in a way other than denying (P2), i.e. that there exists a series of all grounded facts ?


Would you consider just dropping the PSR? It's difficult for me to see what the attraction of an unrestricted PSR is, Della Rocca's arguments notwithstanding.
Dfpolis September 17, 2018 at 00:04 #212954
Quoting SophistiCat
It's difficult for me to see what the attraction of an unrestricted PSR is


Logical consistency. How can something essentially inadequate to a task perform the task?
andrewk September 17, 2018 at 02:05 #212970
Reply to Dfpolis Surely PSR is about completeness, not consistency. Removing axioms from a consistent system cannot make it inconsistent. So if a system including PSR as an axiom is consistent then so too will the system obtained by removing PSR.

But if completeness is what was meant, we hit a block there too, since Godel showed that any system worth bothering with is incomplete.
SophistiCat September 17, 2018 at 06:26 #213007
Quoting Dfpolis
How can something essentially inadequate to a task perform the task?


Explain, please.
Dfpolis September 17, 2018 at 13:33 #213057
Reply to andrewk What we know about reality is not a closed, axiomatic system. One may formulate some subset of what we know into an axiomatic system, but reality is always ready to surprise us, violating our expectations with unpredictable information. Thus, the PSR is not an axiom of a formal system, but an observation about the nature of contingent reality.
Dfpolis September 17, 2018 at 14:17 #213064
Quoting SophistiCat
How can something essentially inadequate to a task perform the task? — Dfpolis

Explain, please.


Of course. The PSR is an observation about the nature of contingent reality -- not an arbitrary posit.

We see that changes happen. We ask how can this be? Parmenides argued:
Every change requires the emergence of something new. Either this new reality comes from something or it comes from nothing. It cannot come from nothing because from nothing, nothing comes. But, nether can it come from something, for if it did it would already exist and so not be new. Since the new aspect can neither come from nothing nor from something, change is impossible.

Aristotle explained Parmenides error by observing that just because a new aspect comes from something does not mean that it actually preexists the change. It can be potential, rather than actual, in what it comes from. So, our experience of change implies the reality of potential existence -- not as a mere logical possibility, but as the foundation in reality for what is actualized in change.

What has this to do with the PSR? While what is potential is real, it is not yet actual (not yet operational). As the actualization of a potential is an operation, no potential can actualize itself because it is not yet operational. So, it must be actualized by something already operational/actual, its concurrent cause. (Concurrent because it has to operate at the time and place the potential is made actual.) So, every potency that is actualized is actualized by a concurrent ("essential") cause.

(Note that essential causes, which act concurrently, are not the kind of causes soundly criticized by Hume and inadequately discussed by Kant. That kind of cause is known as an "accidental cause" and is time-sequence by rule. Essential causality differs by occurring in a single event (the actualization of a potential), while accidental causality links two successive events.)

We have now established the necessity for an operative agent (essential cause) in the actualization of any potency. All the PSR says is that this agent must be sufficient or adequate to the task of actualization. This adds nothing to the analysis. It merely makes explicit what was implicit, for the claim that an agent inadequate to actualizing a potential actualizes that potential is an oxymoron.
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Dfpolis September 17, 2018 at 15:08 #213069
Reply to tim wood It seems to me that "fact" has two senses. One is an intelligible state of affairs. The other is a known intelligible state of affairs. That a known fact can often be expressed in text is incidental. A person who cannot speak or write can know a fact. Alternately, a fact might be so novel that there are as yet no words to express it. (Still, one might be able to indicate it in some non-verbal way, such as pointing.)

Quoting tim wood
To the argument that the facts are the things themselves, there arises the problem of just how, exactly, one comes to understand what the fact is.


I don't think this is an argument so much as a definition. If we define a "fact" as an intelligible state of affairs, that does not imply that we have access to the fact. When we do have access, we come to know the state of affairs because it acts on us, typically via our senses.
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Dfpolis September 17, 2018 at 19:11 #213117
Quoting tim wood
Intelligible state of affairs (ISA): is this just a fact by another name? And we have ISAs and "known" ISAs? Is there a difference between them beyond the implication that mere ISAs are, apparently, not known? Just what is an unknown ISA (or fact)?


I do not see these questions as doing more than rephrasing what I said in interrogatory form. I suggested definitions and do not intend to engage in anargumentum in circulo. It is reasonable to object to definitions by giving counter-examples or by saying why you find this or that defining term to be problematic. These questions do neither.

Quoting tim wood
"Intelligible" itself is a problem, here: what does it mean?


"Intelligible" means capable of informing an intellect. An intellect is informed when what is logically possible to it is reduced.

Quoting tim wood
It appears to beg-the-question as to what a fact is.


I see no such appearance. If you would care to argue you claim, I will consider your objection.

Quoting tim wood
Nor did I mean "text" in the narrow sense you seem to have taken it to mean. Broadly, what I mean is you've either got the thing itself, or a representation of the thing.


To my mind, "texts," broadly speaking, are conventional instrumental signs. The do not include concepts, unexpressed judgement and other instruments of thought which are neither conventional nor instrumental signs, but formal signs. If you wish to include unexpressed judgements, how would you distinguish them from known states of affairs?

Quoting tim wood
In this sense I'm calling perception a text.


You may use terms as you wish. Most people would not call perceptions "texts," so this choice of terms is bound to lead to confusion -- as you can see from my post.

Quoting tim wood
I'm calling the representation a text, i.e., that it is not the thing itself, but represents it.


I would say that perceptions are not re-presentations, but presentations. The make the object dynamically present to us -- not the whole object, but the object as acting on us. My sensory "representation" of an object is identically the object's modification of my sensory system. It belongs jointly to the object (as its radiance of action) and to me as my sensory representation. It is the object dynamically penetrating my being. So, in a sensory presentation I have the object itself -- not in its entirety, but in an informative projection of itself. The object informing me is identically me being informed by the object.

Quoting tim wood
That is, it matters how "fact" is defined. I offered above that a fact is a description, and that influences how the arguments wrt to the OP might proceed.


This leaves out one of the most common uses of "facts" -- that in which we seek to find the (currently unknown) "facts." If facts do not exist without an actual description, no unknown "facts" are possible and seeking them is an exercise in futility. On the other hand, by my definition, intelligible states of affairs count as facts that can be discovered.

Quoting tim wood
I'll ask you to demonstrate exactly how you get from, "The red book is on the table," to, the red book is on the table, and vice versa. Or, same question, how you know the red book is on the table.


One could write a whole book on this, but the outline is simple enough. The environment acts on me via my senses -- informing them in specific ways. Various objects have specific acts that they are capable of and others that they are incapable of. When I turn my attention to my sensory contents, I can focus on specific aspects -- becoming aware of them. If some subset of sensory contents (an object presentation) evokes the concept , I can class the object as a book. If the same object presentation evokes the concept , I can judge . I can do the same with tables, positional concepts and so on. I can keep all of this information to myself, or I can express it in a conventional way, saying or writing "There is a red book on the table."

Going the other way, after making out the letters and reading the text, the sentence evokes certain concepts and relations between them, so that I can, if I wish, imagine a red book on a table.

Quoting tim wood
Rather it is how the fact-as-text can become the fact itself


The fact as text never becomes the state of affairs the text describes unless I am an artisan. All it can do is evoke evoke an intellectual or imagined representation of the state of affairs described. If I am an artisan, I might be able to make an object with the specified features. Still, even if I am an artisan and make a specified object, the object I make was not a fact when I received the specification.

Quoting tim wood
The point of this is that in talking about facts, one has to distinguish between the thing described and the text wherein the description is homed. Confusing the two makes for confusion and bad philosophy.


Of course. That is why I started my post by saying "It seems to me that 'fact' has two senses."
SophistiCat September 17, 2018 at 21:01 #213129
Reply to Dfpolis OK, I see now that your position is deeply embedded in Aristotelian metaphysics, which holds no attraction for me. Thanks for taking the trouble to explain it though.
Dfpolis September 17, 2018 at 21:34 #213135
Reply to SophistiCat To me the attraction of Aristotelian metaphysics is its conformability to the data of experience -- whether that be sensory, subjective or mystical..
andrewk September 17, 2018 at 22:14 #213136
Reply to Dfpolis If the comment was not made in the context of a formal system, what was the meaning of the statement that the world would be inconsistent without an unrestricted PSR, as per the quote below? Quoting Dfpolis
Logical consistency


Dfpolis September 17, 2018 at 23:31 #213150
Reply to andrewk Reflections on the world are open to new experiences. Formal systems, which I take to be systems with fixed axioms, are not. The PSR is a insight for reflecting on open systems -- ones which are experience-driven, not a priori.
andrewk September 18, 2018 at 00:21 #213161
Reply to Dfpolis I don't disagree, but I still can't see any support for the idea that a view of the world that does not incorporate an unrestricted PSR would be logically inconsistent.
Dfpolis September 18, 2018 at 00:39 #213162
Quoting andrewk
I don't disagree, but I still can't see any support for the idea that a view of the world that does not incorporate an unrestricted PSR would be logically inconsistent


It is not inconsistent in se or with principles of logic. It is inconsistent with the metaphysically certain proposition "Nothing can act that is not operational" taken together with the meaning of terms like "potential" and "sufficient."
andrewk September 18, 2018 at 01:12 #213167
Reply to Dfpolis
Nothing can act that is not operational
I am not familiar with that proposition. What does it mean? And why do you feel the absence of an unrestricted PSR is inconsistent with it?
Dfpolis September 18, 2018 at 01:26 #213171
Quoting andrewk
Nothing can act that is not operational

I am not familiar with that proposition. What does it mean?


It means every actuality entails the correlative potentiality. So, unless something is operational (proximately able to act), it cannot act/operate.

Quoting andrewk
And why do you feel the absence of an unrestricted PSR is inconsistent with it?


I have already explained this. Since no merely potential reality is operational (or it would not still be potential), no potential can operate to make itself actual. So, the actualization of every potential requires the operation of a being which is already actual (its cause). Further, it is an oxymoron to say that something insufficient to being about an effect brings about that effect. So, the cause must be sufficient.
andrewk September 18, 2018 at 01:39 #213172
Reply to Dfpolis I see. With the references to 'potential' and 'actual', I see what Sophisticat meant about your view appearing to be based in an Aristotelian metaphysical framework. Like Sophisticat I do not find that framework helpful, so I'm afraid I'll have to bow out.
Dfpolis September 18, 2018 at 06:18 #213197
Reply to andrewk It is amazing how taste can trump analysis.
SophistiCat September 18, 2018 at 07:40 #213203
Quoting Dfpolis
It is amazing how taste can trump analysis.


Well, when it comes to philosophy, at the end of the day it does come down to "taste;" there's no getting around it, unless you believe that you can derive an entire philosophy completely a priori, without any extrarational commitments (which would be an exceptionally crankish thing to believe).

But that's not really why I don't accept your argumentation in this instance. When making an argument one must start from some common ground, and Aristotelian or Scholastic metaphysics isn't such a common ground between us. If you absolutely have to use that framework, then you would have to start by justifying that entire framework to me, or at least its relevant parts. And that is just too unwieldy a task for a forum discussion on an unrelated topic.
Dfpolis September 18, 2018 at 14:12 #213251
Quoting SophistiCat
Well, when it comes to philosophy, at the end of the day it does come down to "taste;" there's no getting around it, unless you believe that you can derive an entire philosophy completely a priori, without any extrarational commitments (which would be an exceptionally crankish thing to believe).


No, I think you can derive any sound philosophical conclusion a posteriori by reflecting on judgements adequately based on human experience. I see no need for any a priori claims, although I think that some conclusions, once they are come to a posteriori, may be applied a priori thereafter. So, while we cannot prove all premises, those admissible to philosophy can either be proven, or derived from experience. "Taste" is a cover term for intellectual prejudice.

Quoting SophistiCat
When making an argument one must start from some common ground, and Aristotelian or Scholastic metaphysics isn't such a common ground between us.


And that is why I do not appeal to authority, but to the data of experience in making my case. So, while my mode of analysis is, as you say, Aristotelian or Scholastic, the common ground I appealed to was experiential data and the acceptance of salve veritate logical moves. If you thought my argument unsound, you could rationally have pointed out a failure on either point.

Quoting SophistiCat
If you absolutely have to use that framework, then you would have to start by justifying that entire framework to me, or at least its relevant parts.


And that is what I have been doing. I showed how the concept of potency is required to reject Parmenides argument that change is an illusion. I showed how concurrent causality is required by the fact that to operate, something must be operational, etc.

I received no objections to my justifications, only a rejection of the line of argument based on "taste."
SophistiCat September 18, 2018 at 14:33 #213261
Reply to Dfpolis Dennis, if you really believe that philosophical theories are uniquely derived from experience with unassailable reasoning, and that this can be done for Aristotelian philosophy in just a couple of paragraphs, then you are very naive. Anyway, I do not wish to detail this discussion any further.
Dfpolis September 18, 2018 at 14:51 #213271
Quoting SophistiCat
Dennis, if you really believe that philosophical theories are uniquely derived from experience with unassailable reasoning, and that this can be done for Aristotelian philosophy in just a couple of paragraphs, then you are very naive. Anyway, I do not wish to detail this discussion any further.


I think neither that philosophical theories are unique, nor that they can be derived in a few paragraphs.

I do think that all sound philosophical theories, as reflections of reality, are necessarily mutually consistent. I also think that the insights necessary to support specific conclusions can be provided in a few paragraphs. If they could not, this, and similar, forums would be futile.

You are, of course, free to direct your time and attention where you will.