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Academic philosophy and philosophy as a way of living?

Shawn June 17, 2018 at 05:03 7750 views 16 comments
I was once told by a teacher, of an philosophy of ethics course, upon being asked what would be good advice to adhere to if I wanted to delve into academia, was that she told me not to associate one's self with philosophy.

The issue, is the deep dilemma of treating philosophy as a way of living whilst adherent to that sentiment.

How does one reconcile the two, whilst maintaining a unbiased and impartial stance towards the art of philosophy?

Comments (16)

Noble Dust June 17, 2018 at 05:15 #188649
Reply to Posty McPostface

Beginning carte blanche from the other thread..."not associating oneself with philosophy" seems very wise. It's the stance of prizing ideas over persons, or, more realistically, ideas over stances themselves. People in academia take stances, and their stances become their identity; they become statues with stances. They don't move. They're dead.

But to treat philosophy as a way of life...is a much larger concern. What does that mean, treat it as a way of life?
BC June 17, 2018 at 05:20 #188652
Quoting Noble Dust
It's the stance of prizing ideas over persons, or, more realistically, ideas over stances themselves. People in academia take stances, and their stances become their identity; they become statues with stances. They don't move. They're dead.


Excellent!
Noble Dust June 17, 2018 at 05:26 #188655
Reply to Bitter Crank

*sifts through all the brilliant new emoji's and can't find an "embarrassed" emoji*

Wine and philosophy work well together!
Shawn June 17, 2018 at 05:32 #188656
Quoting Noble Dust
But to treat philosophy as a way of life...is a much larger concern. What does that mean, treat it as a way of life?


Essentially, it means the process of internalization of philosophy into your being or self. I can't think of any other way to put it. Or the formation or molding of the super-ego through philosophy.
Noble Dust June 17, 2018 at 05:35 #188658
Reply to Posty McPostface

That sounds religious, metaphorically, and also fundamentally: A set of values that are internalized and are set against a narrative which describes the world. I mean "religious" in a neutral sense; the word for me has no positive or negative meaning, but I use it knowing that it ignites negativity. This is an idea I've tried to argue here ever since I joined.
Shawn June 17, 2018 at 05:38 #188661
Quoting Noble Dust
This is an idea I've tried to argue here ever since I joined.


Yes, please formalize it so I can better address this pertinent point.
Noble Dust June 17, 2018 at 05:40 #188663
Reply to Posty McPostface

If I formalize it, I'll express it less well than I've expressed it above.
Noble Dust June 17, 2018 at 05:41 #188664
Reply to Posty McPostface

But that being said, I can work on expressing it better, which I'm happy to do. But a fully formalized concept would work against the concept itself.
Shawn June 17, 2018 at 05:46 #188666
So, then how does one differentiate between what is true (supposedly, the process of academic philosophy), and believing in what is true (associating what is true with one's self)?
Noble Dust June 17, 2018 at 05:49 #188667
Reply to Posty McPostface

I don't get the grammar. If what is true is supposedly the process of academic philosophy, yet believing in what is true is associating "what is true" with one's self, then...what?
Shawn June 17, 2018 at 05:51 #188668
Reply to Noble Dust

Think of it as playing devils advocate throughout the whole process of academic philosophy, and then comes the crisis of formulating your own philosophy or interpretation of what philosophy is. Then what?
Noble Dust June 17, 2018 at 05:55 #188669
Reply to Posty McPostface

That's a little hard for me to imagine as I never formally studied philosophy in College; the crisis of formulating my own philosophy came after I left Christianity, which I suppose could be an analogy to graduating with a degree in philosophy, in it's own metaphorical way.

So, then what? What's next is clearing away the bullshit.
Shawn June 17, 2018 at 06:13 #188678
Quoting Noble Dust
That's a little hard for me to imagine as I never formally studied philosophy in College; the crisis of formulating my own philosophy came after I left Christianity, which I suppose could be an analogy to graduating with a degree in philosophy, in it's own metaphorical way.


I guess it can be the inverse, as your saying. Namely, some set of entrenched beliefs get challenged or questioned which I associate with myself, and then get challenged in the appropriate settings of sorts.

Quoting Noble Dust
So, then what? What's next is clearing away the bullshit.


Yeah, I do like Harry Frankfurt. Have you read his, 'On Bullshit'?
Noble Dust June 17, 2018 at 06:17 #188679
Quoting Posty McPostface
I guess it can be the inverse, as your saying. Namely, some set of entrenched beliefs get challenged or questioned which I associate with myself, and then get challenged in the appropriate settings of sorts.


Entrenched beliefs being challenged are always good things to have happen to oneself (weird grammar). This happens every day on the forum for anyone who argues honesty.

Quoting Posty McPostface
Yeah, I do like Harry Frankfurt. Have you read his, 'On Bullshitting'?


No, but it sounds great.
Pattern-chaser June 17, 2018 at 11:32 #188731
Quoting Noble Dust
But to treat philosophy as a way of life...is a much larger concern. What does that mean, treat it as a way of life?


I think it means adopting philosophy as one's belief system, and choosing to live by it. Just like some people might adopt a religion, or a political view. But everyone does this. The only difference between us is the actual belief system(s) we choose. This is normal human life.

I offer the suggestion that academic philosophy is not so normal. :wink:
John Doe June 17, 2018 at 12:37 #188742
Quoting Noble Dust
But to treat philosophy as a way of life...is a much larger concern. What does that mean, treat it as a way of life?


Quoting Pattern-chaser
I think it means adopting philosophy as one's belief system, and choosing to live by it. Just like some people might adopt a religion, or a political view. But everyone does this.


Quoting Posty McPostface
So, then how does one differentiate between what is true (supposedly, the process of academic philosophy), and believing in what is true (associating what is true with one's self)?


I don't think that philosophy as a way of life is about discovering truth and internalizing that truth through synthesizing and systematizing these beliefs into larger truths. I would call it something more like learning to engage in a practice, seeking the goods internal to that practice (as MacIntyre puts it), and therefore setting one's commitments and modes of coping to work from within the practice.