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Reason gone mad.

Shawn May 14, 2018 at 14:24 4625 views 10 comments
In Stanley Kubrick's Dr. Strangelove or : How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb, is depicted, rather comically, a mad scientist who understands that the doomsday weapon is actually an absolute deterrent against nuclear war. The only misfortune is that nobody knew about it in time as for it to serve its purpose as an absolute deterrent. Some may brush off the whole movie as a dark comedy; but, the threat of nuclear war is as real as it was back then. Make no mistake, a single modern day nuclear tipped submarine is by all means and purposes a version of a 'doomsday weapon' as depicted in that film.

In another thread I wrote about the logic of the fragile peace that keeps nuclear war from actually happening. Namely, if a country happens to be your enemy and has nuclear weapons with the capability of attacking you, then according to the Mutually Assured Destruction doctrine you hold the resources, land, and population of the enemy country hostage as to prevent nuclear war from happening, as do they. As long as the threat is credible and real, peace is assured, according to the Mutually Assured Destruction doctrine.

Now, one must realize that such a situation is on face value repugnant and undesirable. To live in fear of one another is certainly not how we ought to live. Yet, so long as nations cannot live in peace with one another, then virtual annihilation by one madman or mistake becomes more and more likely, and given enough time, inevitable.

How does one surmount this dilemma?

Comments (10)

MathematicalPhysicist May 14, 2018 at 14:27 #178384
Well it's all about luck that we are still alive and kicking and no one accidentally pushed the button... :-P
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Shawn May 15, 2018 at 02:43 #178566
Quoting tim wood
Are you asking about fear or the thing feared? Are you asking for yourself or for "we"?


Could you clarify, as I'm not sure what exactly your asking? If you mean fear in general, I wonder if that is the cause for such situations to arise. If that is the case, then how does overcome that fear?
Caldwell May 15, 2018 at 03:21 #178570
Quoting Posty McPostface
To live in fear of one another is certainly not how we ought to live.

I don't know if there's statistical studies done on what we should fear the most. Death by car accident at hundred miles an hour, terminal disease, natural disaster, or nuclear explosion?

Quoting Posty McPostface
How does one surmount this dilemma?

Diplomacy and philosophical principles.
Yes, I know. Diplomacy is the most maligned political move given the nuclear temperament. And so is mind over matter doctrine.




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Shawn May 15, 2018 at 05:15 #178594
Quoting tim wood
It goes to the question of what the problem is. If it's fear, then there are various therapies. If it's the fact of big bombs as causing fear, then that's your personal version of polio, malaria, leprosy, the black death, gangs, bullies, guns - no end of things-as-facts that can cause fear. If it's the fact of a thing as a fact, then what fear?


Just to quell the fears stoked in the OP, our collective aversion for war has kept us more safe than ever in modern history. People are averse to war and rationally, given nuclear weapons, there is nothing to be gained from it. Madmen are spotted on the spot and have a next to nil ability to gain power or influence. Populism, arguably is on the decline, and no sane politician is going to saber rattle another country, at least not in practice (politically maybe yes).

So, what I have posted is from the source of an overactive mind. Not to be taken too seriously. *Man, am I pontificating, or what?*

Quoting tim wood
And are you asking on your own behalf, or on the behalf of "us." Usually, fear is personal, to the person experiencing the fear. And the dilemma is? is it how to live in the knowledge of facts that are unpleasant? Or fear that you cannot yourself eliminate the cause of? All of these are different questions that call out for different answers.


I hope I answered my half of the question in the previous. What about you?

Quoting tim wood
As to fear in general, if you mean a generalized fear that is essentially a fear of nothing in particular, that's usually called anxiety/angst/dread. Again, a matter for some counseling (which we all could use, at one time or another). I'm not calling you out, just sayin' I can't make headway in the face of so many different possibilities.


Yes, true. I figure it's just some generalized anxiety of some sort, haha.
Shawn May 15, 2018 at 05:26 #178595
Quoting Caldwell
Diplomacy and philosophical principles.
Yes, I know. Diplomacy is the most maligned political move given the nuclear temperament. And so is mind over matter doctrine.


When philosophers become kings, eh?

Well, given that we require someone with at least some background of education, I tend to think that they can be reasoned with. Does that mean that we need less impulsive and more cool headed leaders? Yes, I think so; but, I don't know what can be done in that regard, speaking of the US, here.
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Caldwell May 16, 2018 at 01:49 #178886
Quoting Posty McPostface
When philosophers become kings, eh?

I hope not. Just benevolent advisers would suffice.

Quoting Posty McPostface
Well, given that we require someone with at least some background of education, I tend to think that they can be reasoned with. Does that mean that we need less impulsive and more cool headed leaders? Yes, I think so; but, I don't know what can be done in that regard, speaking of the US, here.

Cool headed, intelligent,benevolent advisers to world leaders. The right arm. Within inches of the leader.

TheMadFool May 16, 2018 at 07:53 #178938
Quoting Posty McPostface
How does one surmount this dilemma?


Well, you seem to forget something very basic - human nature. I know it's a very vague term but I'm referring to general human drives and mentalities.

You're talking about global destruction and nuclear arms but look how an individual person lives. Harmony in society is maintained through incentive AND deterrence. We incentivize good behavior and deter bad behavior. War is bad behavior and should be deterred.