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What happened to my Israel discussion?

René Descartes March 29, 2018 at 23:07 8275 views 36 comments
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CuddlyHedgehog March 29, 2018 at 23:37 #167733
Reply to René Descartes It was God’s will.
CuddlyHedgehog March 29, 2018 at 23:38 #167734
And by God I mean Baden.
René Descartes March 30, 2018 at 00:00 #167740
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CuddlyHedgehog March 30, 2018 at 00:04 #167742
Reply to René Descartes Baden isn’t.
René Descartes March 30, 2018 at 00:05 #167744
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CuddlyHedgehog March 30, 2018 at 00:08 #167747
René Descartes March 30, 2018 at 00:09 #167749
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CuddlyHedgehog March 30, 2018 at 00:11 #167750
Reply to René Descartes By giving them lots of crap to moderate hoping they’ll die from exhaustion.
René Descartes March 30, 2018 at 00:13 #167752
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CuddlyHedgehog March 30, 2018 at 00:17 #167754
Reply to René Descartes Yes, that should do it.
T Clark March 30, 2018 at 00:49 #167762
Quoting René Descartes
So I should make a post combining Swearing, Evangelicalism, Anti-Semitism, Sexism, Homophobia, trolling and copy and pasting from Wikipedia


Alternatively, you could send him a PM and ask what's up. He's usually pretty responsive. It also might have been a different moderator.
René Descartes March 30, 2018 at 01:41 #167768

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Baden March 30, 2018 at 02:04 #167780
@TimeLine deleted it. I'm sure she will come and explain when she is ready. We are not at your beck and call 24/7.
Buxtebuddha March 30, 2018 at 02:06 #167781
It has begun.
T Clark March 30, 2018 at 02:34 #167790
Quoting Baden
TimeLine deleted it. I'm sure she will come and explain when she is ready. We are not at your beck and call 24/7.


@TimeLine

As you know, I endorse he moderator's authority to decide what stays and what goes, but when you delete someone's discussion, a timely explanation is a reasonable request. I've said this before - contact should be made before, or at least at the time, of deletion. If you haven't got the time to explain, it must not be urgent. Don't delete the discussion. I think you guys have made real progress in gaining the confidence of the forum members. It is a mistake to undermine that.

Not reasonable.
T Clark March 30, 2018 at 02:36 #167793
Quoting Baden
TimeLine deleted it. I'm sure she will come and explain when she is ready. We are not at your beck and call 24/7.


And it's not being "at your beck and call" to be reasonable.
Baden March 30, 2018 at 03:39 #167810
Reply to T Clark

I meant she might be asleep or working or something. We all live in different time zones.
Baden March 30, 2018 at 03:40 #167812
Reply to T Clark

She said she was going to send a PM, so maybe wait for an explanation.
Cavacava March 30, 2018 at 03:43 #167815
Reply to René Descartes

Your topic was hardly developed, and your position on the topic was not stated.
T Clark March 30, 2018 at 03:59 #167826
Quoting Baden
She said she was going to send a PM, so maybe wait for an explanation.


I don't need any explanation. As I said, I support the moderator's authority to make these types of decisions. On the other hand, Rene Descartes deserves an explanation and a chance to rebut.
Baden March 30, 2018 at 04:04 #167832
Reply to T Clark

Of course. I only asked him to wait. I could give some explanation but I'd rather let TL give the reason herself. I don't necessarily think René intended for the discussion to come across the way it did, so maybe we can sort it out amicably.
T Clark March 30, 2018 at 04:05 #167833
Quoting Baden
I meant she might be asleep or working or something. We all live in different time zones.


I said this before, if a moderator decides to delete someone's discussion, they have time to write at least a brief PM - How about this

I deleted your [discussion name] discussion because I thought it was [four word explanation here]. If you'd like to discuss it, let me know, but I'll be unavailable till [future time.]

You have my permission to use that language if you'd like.
TimeLine March 30, 2018 at 04:59 #167854
Quoting René Descartes
I don't think I said anything illegal or against the rules when I posted my discussion about Israel. I could be wrong. I'd quite like to know what I said that deserved it to be removed as I am slightly in shock of it's deletion. I wanted to start an interesting discussion, and i put up a poll. I'm pretty sure I followed all the guidelines.

Why was it deleted?


You certainly do deserve an explanation, although I am surprised that you want one. I should apologise, however, as I was intending to send you a PM - which I wanted to - but was unfortunately distracted and could only log back on now again, albeit briefly.

Your question was related to whether Israel should exist purporting that you don't believe it should, a discussion that is clearly and already a highly contentious subject that arouses unfortunate reactions. That was it. It was certainly not articulated intelligently neither was it charitable and there were no details in your position, nothing that could substantiate any merit to be deemed philosophical or even political. Indeed, there are a number of questions that can be asked related to the existence of states from a legal and political angle - and I know this given that my legal training is on international law - you articulated your position - or the lack thereof - in a manner that amplifies unwarranted assumptions and this became evident in the responses that ensued 6 hours after positing. The result of the thread were several members making it clear that the content contained little substance aside from one poster who began to espouse the very degenerate interlocution that I was worried about and often made possible by such broad topics.

Again, I do apologise that you feel upset about it, but at the same time you should adequately consider a number of factors prior to making a post, most of all a consciousness of the context. I am not one to often make deletions, but in that instance I am confident that it does merit such deletion.

Any objections to this, I am more than happy to further discuss.
René Descartes March 30, 2018 at 05:37 #167857
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Baden March 30, 2018 at 05:41 #167858
Baden March 30, 2018 at 05:42 #167859
Originally posted wrong smilie. Phone fingers. :nerd:
René Descartes March 30, 2018 at 05:44 #167860
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René Descartes March 30, 2018 at 05:46 #167861
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Count Radetzky von Radetz March 30, 2018 at 11:06 #167910
I wrote a witty comment which took a long time to craft of that thread, can a mod quote it so I can repost it again?
CuddlyHedgehog March 30, 2018 at 12:22 #167928
Quoting T Clark
You have my permission to use that language if you'd like.


Can you sign a waiver that you will not sue for copyright infringement?
T Clark March 30, 2018 at 13:23 #167941
Quoting CuddlyHedgehog
Can you sign a waiver that you will not sue for copyright infringement?


At work, we authorize actions by our subcontractors using an email all the time. I believe you are adequately covered.
René Descartes March 31, 2018 at 00:01 #168089
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S March 31, 2018 at 00:21 #168097
Quoting T Clark
@TimeLine

As you know, I endorse he moderator's authority...


Sexist.
T Clark March 31, 2018 at 00:27 #168099
Quoting Sapientia
Sexist.


Quahog.
S March 31, 2018 at 00:32 #168101
Reply to T Clark I prefer this side to you. It's like the less you make sense, the more you make sense.
T Clark March 31, 2018 at 00:40 #168103
Quoting Sapientia
I prefer this side to you. It's like the less you make sense, the more you make sense.


Ooody oops