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Portrait of Michelle Obama

Cavacava February 13, 2018 at 16:11 14425 views 58 comments
The portrait by Amy Sherald was unveiled yesterday in Washington. It will be hung in the Smithsonian along with a portrait of her husband which was also unveiled yesterday (and which is also interesting and not typical of presidential portraiture)

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The painting as portrait is unlike most historic portraiture which is far more atmospheric, nostalgic and rounded. Compare to Aaron Shikler's portrait of Jackie Kennedy (he said that he want to express that "extraordinary, almost spooky beauty... I wanted to paint the haunted look in her eyes.”

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Michelle's painting has none of that atmosphere, it's almost as if she emerges from the flatness canvas, a kind of crystal purity. The background, and huge flowing gown presents pyramidal lines with geometric patterns reminiscent of quilt patterns from which Michelle's organic form emerges out at the viewer. The holding of her arms seems to replicate the oval shape of the print. The gown itself was a custom design by Milly Smith's fashions.

Many have criticized this painting, because they don't think it resembles Michelle.

Thoughts?

Comments (58)

BC February 13, 2018 at 18:28 #152576
I like the pose. I loathe the light blue background. I don't like the the artist's coloring of the First Lady -- it's too grayish, and the execution of the face doesn't convey Michele Obama's mature attractiveness. The dress takes up way too much space.

The President's portrait had different problems -- the green ivy background was a bit overwhelming, as opposed to the underwhelming blue of Michele's portrait. The likeness of Barack was good, however. In both cases, I would prefer to have the subject's figures take up a larger share of the portrait surface.

I don't like J. Kennedy's portrait either.

The Obama portraits may be official, but time and other portraits will determine what image the public likes better.

It could be worse, I suppose. The now-preferred image of George Washington was left unfinished.

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Cavacava February 13, 2018 at 18:49 #152583
Reply to Bitter Crank
I like the pose. I loathe the light blue background. I don't like the the artist's coloring of the First Lady -- it's too grayish, and the execution of the face doesn't convey Michele Obama's mature attractiveness. The dress takes up way too much space.


There appears to be a couple of political nods in the portrait, the blue/gray background and her nails for Democratic party. This from the Democratic Convention, she apparently started a blue nail craze.

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The gown (in the painting) is thought to be a nod to Milly's support of Planned Parenthood.

When I saw Barack's portrait, I could not stop looking at the placement of his hands.

Michael February 13, 2018 at 19:06 #152588
I think both portraits look terrible.
Streetlight February 13, 2018 at 19:37 #152598
I love, love, love both portaits. Think they both look absolutely stunning.
praxis February 13, 2018 at 19:45 #152600
I like the one of Michelle a lot. Not too crazy about the Obama rendition.
charleton February 13, 2018 at 20:34 #152607
It's a piss-poor portrait.
Standards must have fallen.

However. This image seems to be a little better.
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Deleted User February 13, 2018 at 20:38 #152610
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charleton February 13, 2018 at 20:51 #152616
Sherald seems to be a one-trick-pony.
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Streetlight February 13, 2018 at 20:53 #152619
Reply to charleton Noooo, the flourish of color from the dress is what makes the portrait. That re-framing also messes with the rule of thirds.
charleton February 14, 2018 at 17:19 #152864
Quoting StreetlightX
?charleton Noooo, the flourish of color from the dress is what makes the portrait. That re-framing also messes with the rule of thirds.


I was not interested in the dress. This is a PORTRAIT, the dress is incidental.
The image I linked seems to have a better face for some reason.
Ciceronianus February 14, 2018 at 17:25 #152868
De gustibus non est disputandum, you know.

That one of Jackie strikes me as rather creepy, for example. She looks like nightmarish, ghastly doll. Others, apparently, think it's wonderful.

If the purpose of portraiture is to create a physical likeness of a person, that of Michelle Obama probably doesn't meet that purpose. That of Obama does, but the leaves serving as background seem peculiar. It's not clear to me they evoke either Hawaii or Chicago. They seem only a bunch of closely-packed leaves, curiously unattached to any tree.
Baden February 14, 2018 at 18:30 #152890
Quoting Ciceronianus the White
That one of Jackie strikes me as rather creepy, for example. She looks like nightmarish, ghastly doll.


That's what I thought. As for the Michelle Obama, it doesn't do much for me - too bland in my view.

Quoting Ciceronianus the White
If the purpose of portraiture is to create a physical likeness of a person, that of Michelle Obama probably doesn't meet that purpose


It is partly and it does partly. The portrait below doesn't look much like the Queen of England, for example, but portraits are more about getting at something deeper about the person than mere physical resemblance. Not that you can leave that behind, but you can push it to the side.

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Agustino February 14, 2018 at 18:31 #152892
Reply to Baden Why does the queen look like an angry man?
Cavacava February 14, 2018 at 18:49 #152897
Looking at some of Amy Sherald other works such as:
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or what @charleton posted. Here is what the MET has to say about 19th Century Folk Art portraiture:

They are characterized by sharply defined forms, neatly organized compositions with clearly defined spatial arrangements, some with an almost mathematical precision and symmetry, generalized lighting, equal attention paid to all areas of the canvas, an absence of expressive brushwork, and an overall flatness and linearity. A current, compelling theory about the look of folk portraits is that they matched the face of the neatly and geometrically farmed agrarian landscape. In any case, it is important to recognize that folk artists worked according to criteria set by their rural clientele. As a group, the portraits describe socially reticent sitters eager to record a likeness but shy of declaring personality and emotion. Elements of pride and class status are apparent but circumspect. Portraits record lasting traits and conditions (some are even memorials to the dead), rather than transitory mannerisms and situations.


Anyway, Sherald's work reminds me of a sophisticated version of folk art.

I just saw @Baden posting of Queen Elizabeth by Lucian Freud. Freud was a hyper-realist. I think his realism, pushes realism beyond itself to an intimate, almost symbolic view and it does this by the effects of his intensive brush work, which are the result of 1000's of hours of work. His use of paint is extraordinary. His average portrait took 1500 hrs., which is almost unbelievable, except when you look at his work.

charleton February 14, 2018 at 18:59 #152901
Quoting Cavacava
Freud was a hyper-realist


Er, no!
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THIS is hyperrealism
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Or THIS.
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Cavacava February 14, 2018 at 19:07 #152903
Reply to charleton

Sorry, you really don't see the style resemblance do ya?
charleton February 14, 2018 at 20:01 #152921
Quoting Cavacava
style resemblance


Bottom feeding jargon.


His works float between expressionism and quasi realism.
No where near hyper.
Buxtebuddha February 14, 2018 at 20:52 #152931
Every picture in this thread is hideous.

Except for Crank's profile pic, of course.
Thorongil February 14, 2018 at 21:04 #152934
Janus February 14, 2018 at 21:56 #152957
Reply to Cavacava

For my taste the portrait of MO is terrible, lifeless, wooden. In terms of composition it is irredeemable. The portrait of JK is much more 'living' but still overly romanticised, and it fails as a composition; being too centred. If you cut off one side or the other of the JK portrait near the shoulder it would work far better compositionally.
Cavacava February 14, 2018 at 22:31 #152972
Reply to Janus K, at least you have a rationale not just emotive crap. I think, and I tried to indicate that I think of this as a contemporary form of American folk art. I am not sure sure what folk art looks like in Australia, but I think I see an evolution between what Amy Shearld is doing and what American folk artists were doing in the 19th Century. Note the gown in the painting, is thought to be related to quilts produced in Gee Bend, Alabama.

Mrs. Obama wore a gown by Milly that featured a geometric print. “It reminded me of the Dutch artist Piet Mondrian’s geometric paintings,” said Sherald. “But Milly’s dress also reminds me of the quilt masterpieces made by the women of Gee’s Bend, a small black community in Alabama.”


I have not thought enough about Barack's portrait, but here are some very amusing tweets I have seen:

Sean Spicer hiding in the bushes:

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or

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Janus February 14, 2018 at 22:44 #152981
Reply to Cavacava

Interestingly the BO portrait is more lifelike, in the sense of being a better resemblance, than the MO. Note the 'semblance' in resemblance, though; a lifelike portrait can nonetheless belifeless just as the BO portrait also appears to me to be.
Cavacava February 14, 2018 at 23:22 #152997
Reply to Janus As I have indicated I have not really spent the same amount of time thinking about Barack's portrait, at least not as much as Michelle', but if you were to frame Obama as an emergent image, emerging out of a society where " they all look the same", this image might make sense.

His hands were screwing me up, I mentioned this somewhere along the way. I think and I need to confirm or flesh out what his hands placement means, if anything, but it sure as hell looks like a historical remnant from somewhere, then perhaps a key to the portrait.
Cavacava February 14, 2018 at 23:42 #152998
Reply to Janus

Also. MO is far more stylized than BO's portrait. Do you think perhaps that the stylizing of a portrait tries to remove its particularity, aiming at universality, where the emotional warmth of the subject (MO} has to be sacrificed?
Thorongil February 15, 2018 at 03:19 #153085
Damn, just learned about the painter of Obama's portrait. Pretty nasty, racist guy, it seems, who paints garish kitsch. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/13/kehinde-wiley-barack-obamas-portrait-artist-painte/
Akanthinos February 15, 2018 at 03:30 #153088
Reply to Thorongil

Funnily enough, I much prefer "Judith beheading Holofernes" to Barrack's portrait.
Cavacava February 15, 2018 at 04:04 #153102
Reply to Thorongil

Do you prefer Caravaggio's rendition of Judith Beheading Holofernes?

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Akanthinos February 15, 2018 at 04:17 #153106
Reply to Cavacava

Judith's expression is just too dumb on this one. "Wait, why is he screaming, and why is there all this red stuff coming out?". Like a debutante on a skin-flick set facing her first moneyshot.
Cavacava February 15, 2018 at 04:31 #153111
BC February 15, 2018 at 04:40 #153115
Quoting Akanthinos
Like a debutante on a skin-flick set facing her first moneyshot


An inspired insight.
Akanthinos February 15, 2018 at 04:44 #153117
Reply to Bitter Crank

An inspiring sight!
BC February 15, 2018 at 04:45 #153118
Quoting Cavacava
The gown (in the painting) is thought to be a nod to Milly's support of Planned Parenthood.


In what way???
BC February 15, 2018 at 04:48 #153119
Quoting charleton
However. This image seems to be a little better.


The image you posted is better.
BC February 15, 2018 at 04:54 #153121
Quoting Ciceronianus the White
They seem only a bunch of closely-packed leaves, curiously unattached to any tree.


A hedge, perhaps, and not a tree.

Quoting Baden
but portraits are more about getting at something deeper about the person than mere physical resemblance.


What has been gotten at in the hideous portrait of HMQEII?
Cavacava February 15, 2018 at 04:55 #153122
Reply to Bitter Crank
Harper's Bazaar:
Milly is a fitting choice for Obama's portrait wardrobe, not only because it matches her fresh yet approachable style, but also because the designer is similarly passionate about women's rights and female empowerment.

Smith has been a Planned Parenthood supporter for years and even designed a T-shirt to benefit the organization last fall. Her Fall 2017 collection, presented in the wake of the 2016 election, was about rising up from a dark, "fractured" place. Even her Fall 2018 collection, which debuted last week, was inspired by "love, inclusiveness and the desire for equality."


Cavacava February 15, 2018 at 05:02 #153123
I am still thinking about Obama's portrait...it may become an excellent memeUser image
Baden February 15, 2018 at 05:10 #153124
Quoting Bitter Crank
What has been gotten at in the hideous portrait of HMQEII?


Not sure. I'm presuming it's not an accident that she looks like that though. Maybe there's a joke in there somewhere?
Cavacava February 15, 2018 at 05:20 #153127
Reply to Baden Reply to Bitter Crank

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What Freud did, of course, as regular users of this site will recognize, was paint the Queen as his alter ego, giving her his eyebrows, his small eyes, his deep facial folds and, most oddly, his brick-like chin. Painted, of course, in his characteristic style, the Queen is Freud. Other masters, from Fouquet in the 15th century onwards, have done likewise. Royalty in almost all spiritual traditions is a symbol of purity that artists use as they see fit. Freud here, like his predecessors, has depicted his monarch as the monarch in his mind.


Baden February 15, 2018 at 05:22 #153129
Reply to Cavacava

Et voilà.
René Descartes February 15, 2018 at 06:28 #153156
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Benkei February 15, 2018 at 11:25 #153249
Cavacava February 15, 2018 at 13:51 #153275
Benkei February 15, 2018 at 15:01 #153289
He's fingering the wrong anatomical part if his bus-bragging is anything to go on.
René Descartes February 15, 2018 at 17:10 #153324
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Thorongil February 15, 2018 at 23:19 #153404
Reply to Cavacava No. Not a huge fan of Caravaggio, except his St. Jerome and St. Francis.
charleton February 17, 2018 at 15:30 #154077
Quoting Bitter Crank
A hedge, perhaps, and not a tree.


Is the hedge significant to Obama?
Maybe because he spent 8 years hedging his bets?
charleton February 17, 2018 at 15:31 #154078
Reply to Cavacava
The light is sublime, in that Caravaggio.

charleton February 17, 2018 at 15:34 #154079
What Freud did, of course, as regular users of this site will recognize,


This is just the ordinary failing of any artist who tends to base their idea of what a face is upon the thing they see in the mirror. There is nothing special here. Fraud painted himself most of the time.
charleton February 17, 2018 at 15:38 #154080
Quoting Akanthinos
Judith's expression is just too dumb on this one.


There is more craft, skill and sensitivity on this tiny part of the Caravaggio than on all the other posted images thus far.
https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/330592428871267531/?lp=true
charleton February 17, 2018 at 15:40 #154081
Quoting Bitter Crank
The gown (in the painting) is thought to be a nod to Milly's support of Planned Parenthood.
— Cavacava

In what way???


No one would be able to navigate through that mess of cloth to impregnant her?
charleton February 17, 2018 at 15:42 #154082
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charleton February 17, 2018 at 15:49 #154086
Reply to René Descartes I think we have a pretty good idea.
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https://pmchollywoodlife.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/donald-trump-appears-to-scare-the-life-out-of-melania-in-viral-inauguration-ftr.jpg?w=148&h=90&crop=1
René Descartes February 17, 2018 at 22:03 #154145
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charleton February 17, 2018 at 23:10 #154184
Reply to René Descartes Already been done., before the sculpture.
The artist was beaten-up by Trumpers.
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/07/donald-trump-penis-painting-ilma-gore
René Descartes February 18, 2018 at 06:45 #154307
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T Clark February 18, 2018 at 13:55 #154378
Coincidentally, I'm in Washington for my step-mother's birthday. Before we went to dinner last night, we stopped off at the Smithsonian portrait gallery.

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Cavacava February 18, 2018 at 14:16 #154382
Reply to T Clark Did you like it? Also, the photos look like it is very flat and smoothly painted is that the case?
T Clark February 18, 2018 at 14:54 #154387
Most portraits like this are pretty unimaginative and bland. Staid. She's a very stylish person. I would imagine a pose like that would be unsatisfying. In the portrait, she looks serious, dignified. I like her and her husband. I have nothing against the portrait.

As Charles Montgomery Burns once said "I don't know art, but I know what I hate, and I don't hate that."