Giorgio Agamben's [I]The Kingdom and the Glory[/I] is one text that comes to mind, although you have to read about 3/4s of the book to get to where he starts discussing glory (its worth it tho). Otherwise I'd imagine you'd probably find the classic discussions in either Augustine or Aquinas, but I would have no idea where.
Homer in fact showed glory to be glamorous but pointless, and simply results in a long ordeal for everyone, which is why the Iliad ends with the victor Agamemnon being killed after reaching his home and while in his bathtub anyway, and why the Odyssey is a sequel.
The Greeks were not so simple minded as modern people want to think, so they actually understood that better than almost all people alive do now. And that is also why Euripidies, Sophocles, and Aeschylus extended the myth in their plays to examine the nature of fate, and whether it can be avoided.
It was actually Virgil who glorified glory by rewriting the Iliad, adding a long section on the Trojan horse and ending the story there. But even he rather cynically ignores that the Trojan horse was a vile and dishonorable ruse without any redeeming factor, instead making it out as some great act of valor yet again, which he could not have written at such length without recognizing the hypocrisy of it, and thus expressing his real opinion in agreement with Homer that glory is really a delusion fostered on the public by those in power in order to manipulate the mob mind into hostile effort extending to self sacrifice.
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Hanaà Berrezoug
Dr Moulay Tahar University
2014
Homer in fact showed glory to be glamorous but pointless, and simply results in a long ordeal for everyone, which is why the Iliad ends with the victor Agamemnon being killed after reaching his home and while in his bathtub anyway, and why the Odyssey is a sequel.
The Greeks were not so simple minded as modern people want to think, so they actually understood that better than almost all people alive do now. And that is also why Euripidies, Sophocles, and Aeschylus extended the myth in their plays to examine the nature of fate, and whether it can be avoided.
It was actually Virgil who glorified glory by rewriting the Iliad, adding a long section on the Trojan horse and ending the story there. But even he rather cynically ignores that the Trojan horse was a vile and dishonorable ruse without any redeeming factor, instead making it out as some great act of valor yet again, which he could not have written at such length without recognizing the hypocrisy of it, and thus expressing his real opinion in agreement with Homer that glory is really a delusion fostered on the public by those in power in order to manipulate the mob mind into hostile effort extending to self sacrifice.
Can you point me to the place where these assertions are made?
https://www.amazon.com/Terrible-Love-War-James-Hillman/dp/0143034928
I could not provide twitter level quotes, you would have to look at Homer, Greek tragedy, and Virgil yourself.
Thanks.
Perhaps try philosopher Peter Cetera?
I mean a gloriouser glory.
e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbtJZVUhSG4
Not sure about "Wolfmoon." I used to play a mystic skeptic on the old ruined site. Blaise St. Mary.
You were no one else before that?