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Mongrel April 18, 2017 at 15:32 9850 views 35 comments
Quoting Cavacava
Religion thrives on the fear of "dead in a ditch". It transforms fear into hope for the faithful, for a life of bliss, a fetishized hope for eternal life. The faithful transubstantiate enduring present suffering as a means of achieving future bliss, this transubstantiation becomes the structure of the self.

The atheist does not escape this process, it became the structural bias of the future over the present in Western culture which is incorporated into our concept of progress. While the atheist does not have a transcendent escape route, it has science which it relies on to save it from suffering.

"Ditch" is an interesting word, it can mean a trench carved into the ground, or something we discard, or throw away, or an escape. A ditch almost like a wound to the earth as demonstrated in Maya Lin's Vietnam War Memorial, where the discarded names of the dead, enable our sentimental escape from their horrible realities


There's a lot of cool comments on this forum. I liked this one especially.

Comments (35)

Thorongil April 18, 2017 at 17:30 #66637
Nah, it ain't that cool.
Mongrel April 18, 2017 at 17:35 #66640
Reply to Thorongil Well put one that you think is cool. Quote yourself if necessary.
Cavacava April 18, 2017 at 18:44 #66660
Reply to Mongrel Hey thank you for your kind comment.
Noble Dust April 19, 2017 at 06:19 #66748
Hey, that's a pretty cool comment.
Wayfarer April 19, 2017 at 10:20 #66768
Quoting Cavacava
The atheist does not escape this process, it became the structural bias of the future over the present in Western culture which is incorporated into our concept of progress.


I sometimes think that space travel, science fiction movies, and the belief in interstellar travel and the occupation of other planets is the sublimated search for Heaven.

Incidentally you might find The Strange Persistence of Guilt interesting. The OP that it links to is very long but worth reading in my opinion.
TimeLine April 19, 2017 at 10:34 #66772
Quoting Cavacava
Hey thank you for your kind comment.


May as well add my two cents considering the opportunity, but you ALWAYS write amazing. When the day comes where I overcome my need to mockery, I hope I can end up writing like you.
Mongrel April 19, 2017 at 12:21 #66796
Quoting unenlightened
We're back to counting corpses again, to see who is the gooder thinker. If the insight is clear, the parasite is transformed into a symbiote. This is the magic of thought, that where biology must laboriously evolve, thought can change instantly.


Notice that clicking on the blue unenlightened will take you back to the thread from which the quote came. That's because while I was in that thread, I quoted the text, then copied the text that appeared in the comment box. I pasted that over here. Voila!
TimeLine April 19, 2017 at 12:57 #66799
[reply="Mongrel;66796" ] Sorry, but do you feel proud that after 1.9K posts you figured out a basic process? :P
Mongrel April 19, 2017 at 13:16 #66802
Reply to TimeLine If you post a cool comment to this thread, quote and then copy. That way people can easily go back to the original.
S April 19, 2017 at 20:13 #66860
Reply to Noble Dust Nah, it ain't that cool.
Noble Dust April 19, 2017 at 23:04 #66878
Reply to Sapientia

Nah, it's pretty cool.
unenlightened April 20, 2017 at 00:00 #66881
Never click on a blue unenlightened. You might just tip him over the edge.
S April 20, 2017 at 09:35 #66979
Reply to Noble Dust Nah, it ain't that cool.
Mongrel April 20, 2017 at 17:11 #67023
Quoting Ciceronianus the White
According to Aaron Burr, an able lawyer and, I think, a much maligned figure in American history: "The law is whatever is boldly asserted and plausibly maintained." There's some basis for that claim, or was then. There's a lot more law now and the opportunity to "make" law solely by clever argument in a courtroom was no doubt much greater when Burr practiced then it is for practitioners now. But for a litigator, and particularly one that regularly does jury trials, what Burr referred to is primarily the ability to persuade others that a position being taken is reasonable and just and should be accepted. This involves the ancient art of discourse or rhetoric employed by such as Cicero, a great lawyer and politician and a great communicator of philosophy if not a great philosopher. I think that a degree of intelligence and skill is required for one to be a successful practitioner of that art.
Mongrel April 20, 2017 at 17:12 #67024
Reply to Sapientia My criteria is just.. was I still thinking about that comment 10 minutes after I read it... then it was cool. What's your criteria? What's an example of a post you like?
S April 20, 2017 at 20:23 #67032
Quoting Mongrel
My criteria is just.. was I still thinking about that comment 10 minutes after I read it... then it was cool. What's your criteria? What's an example of a post you like?


Yes, it was thought-provoking. I was just being facetious. Mostly.

I like posts that hit the nail on the head and are succinct. I like posts that say something that I was thinking of saying, but that say it better than I would've done. I like posts that are sensible, grounded, and on point, and avoid wild speculation and digression.

I care more about that then a comment which starts drifting off into the etymology of the word "ditch", which - whether interesting or otherwise - was nevertheless an irrelevant distraction from the topic.

One of the last few posts that I recall liking was this one, from the same discussion:

Quoting jkop
:-} By assuming that religion would be an integral part of the human psyche it is unsurprising that it appears to "win". But religions are cultural constructs, recall, systems of worship. To psychologize it, or describe established habits or methods in science as similar to religious rituals is not only exaggerated and seditious but false. Atheism, for instance, is not yet another religion.


I liked it because it challenged a previous comment which I felt needed challenging, and which had, until that reply, only received brief agreement, overlooking what was wrong with it - and I found that quite annoying, but I felt a little better after seeing that I wasn't the only one to take issue with it.

I tend to like what someone like Michael or Hanover has to say.
Mongrel April 21, 2017 at 00:12 #67047
Reply to Sapientia That's cool. Don't usually get to peek into somebody else's thinking processes..thanks!
Mongrel April 21, 2017 at 19:24 #67166
Quoting Wosret
When a population is having trouble supporting the group, they kill the ones everyone is least attached to.

Bunch of dudes standing around watching a human sacrifice. One says, "You know... I never liked that guy."
Wosret April 21, 2017 at 19:31 #67168
unenlightened May 09, 2017 at 21:41 #69746
Quoting Sam26
I'm not saying that we never possess knowledge. I'm simply pointing out that there is a difference between the definition of knowledge (justified true belief), and one's claim to knowledge. Just because one claims to have knowledge it doesn't follow that they do.

BC May 09, 2017 at 21:55 #69752
Reply to Thorongil Right. I've said cooler things in my sleep.
BC May 09, 2017 at 21:58 #69753
Quoting Sapientia
I tend to like what someone like Michael or Hanover has to say.


So what are the rest of us -- chopped liver?
BC May 09, 2017 at 21:59 #69755
Quoting unenlightened
We're back to counting corpses again


I appreciate a sarcastic statement from someone else that I wish I had thought of.
S May 09, 2017 at 22:08 #69756
Quoting Bitter Crank
So what are the rest of us -- chopped liver?


Fishing for a compliment? :D

If I had have included an exhaustive list, rest assured, you would have been on it, and that hasn't changed. You actually made me laugh several times earlier when I was reading through the pornography discussion. For instance, your comment about Kandinsky's artwork not giving you an erection.

But yes, the rest are indeed chopped liver.
ArguingWAristotleTiff May 09, 2017 at 23:38 #69770
Quoting Sapientia
I tend to like what someone like Michael or Hanover has to say.


Err ahem... there are too many names and too great a chance that I will accidently leave a name off the "list" as I enjoy every member of The Philosophy Forum! Some I enjoy interacting with, some I consider close friends, some are my mentors, some my guides and then there are others I enjoy simply by ignoring. 8-)
BC May 10, 2017 at 01:05 #69774
Quoting Sapientia
Fishing for a compliment?


Just using my favorite Woody Allen quote.
S May 10, 2017 at 12:20 #69812
Quoting Bitter Crank
Just using my favorite Woody Allen quote.


I prefer Metaly Dave.
Mongrel June 05, 2017 at 19:46 #75009
Quoting Mariner
Indeed, Plato is the greatest mythmaker, precisely because he understood the value of myths and the limits of human discourse.
Mongrel June 22, 2017 at 18:06 #79832
Quoting Hanover
Where did I suggest anything was arbitrary? I don't even follow the use of this term in this context. "Arbitrary" describes the basis of a decision indicating it was without rational basis, just whim or caprice. It isn't like 1000 years ago a committee arbitrarily decided society should be a certain way. Society evolved the way it is, and perhaps for the reason you or Michael suggested. Obviously there's a reason things are as they are. The point is that the cause of the injustice offers no support for the continuation of the injustice.

We could provide a societal evolution theory explaining why certain groups became slaves and other masters, all of which may be correct, but none of which would justify continued subservience by the oppressed group. So sure, women were given the weaker roles because they were weaker, but since most contemporary jobs don't require clubbing tigers, adherence to Neanderthal norms is not only unjust, but it oppresses significant talents and limits potential human development.

That's awesome.
Agustino June 22, 2017 at 18:23 #79836
Mongrel June 22, 2017 at 18:31 #79846
Reply to Agustino What I liked about it was the turn of thought. The way things were doesn't tell us how things should be. If you don't find that groovy, you're just being bull-headed.
Agustino June 22, 2017 at 18:33 #79847
Reply to Mongrel Right, but we both know that's not the real reason why you posted that :P
Mongrel June 22, 2017 at 18:41 #79849
Reply to Agustino It's true I agreed with the sentiment. I posted it because I detected grace. Think whatever you like.
S June 22, 2017 at 22:01 #79963
Quoting Mongrel
What I liked about it was the turn of thought. The way things were doesn't tell us how things should be. If you don't find that groovy, you're just being bull-headed.


But remember, Agustino is a reactionary. :D
Mongrel June 24, 2017 at 14:45 #80539
This one was awesome:

"Intimidation, whether it is real or imagined is always present. This fact is not lost on the female intellect."

Wait...I haven't gotten to the part about missionary position sex.