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Things and their interactions

Daniel May 19, 2022 at 19:43 2300 views 11 comments
What does this statement makes you think?

If two objects are physical, by which I mean they occupy a space (any space) and are of finite extension - that is, neither object occupies all of the space in which they exist -, then all of their interactions* are physical (any interaction itself occupies a space, and the interaction is limited in its extension through it); that is, both the objects and their interactions have a limited distribution throughout space.

Interaction: any effect in the objects or their spatial distribution that would not occur in the absence of the other object, and the means through which such effects are produced.

If two objects are physical, then all of their interactions are physical.
If two objects occupy a (shared?) space and are of finite extension, then every one of their interactions occupies a space and is of finite extension.

Comments (11)

Joshs May 19, 2022 at 19:49 #697847
Reply to Daniel Quoting Daniel
If two objects occupy a (shared?) space and are of finite extension, then every one of their interactions occupies a space and is of finite extension.


Do objects occupy space or do they create it? Is extension a pre-assigned property of an object or is it a qualitative change? ( Courtesy of Gilles Deleuze)
Jackson May 19, 2022 at 19:51 #697849
Quoting Joshs
Do objects occupy space or do they create it?


Space is just things, for Leibniz.
Joshs May 19, 2022 at 19:58 #697853
Reply to Jackson Quoting Jackson
Space is just things, for Leibniz.


Wish I read more Leibnitz. Deleuze relies on him
heavily ( and Bergson).
Jackson May 19, 2022 at 20:02 #697855
Quoting Joshs
Wish I read more Leibnitz.


Leibniz was the first critic of mechanistic science. He tore into Newton for saying there is absolute time and space.
Daniel May 19, 2022 at 20:10 #697859
Quoting Joshs
Do objects occupy space or do they create it?


Man, this is one of those almost impossible questions. Sometimes I like to think everything is space, and the rest is just differences in space just to kind of escape from having to deal with it. Have you ever tried to define a particular entity (object) without referring to space?....... or vice versa?
Jackson May 19, 2022 at 20:15 #697864
Quoting Joshs
Wish I read more Leibnitz


Leibniz: "I hold space to be something merely relative, as time is, that I hold it to be an order of coexistences, as time is an order of successions. (Third Paper, paragraph 4; G VII.363/Alexander 25–26)

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/leibniz-physics/
Daniel May 19, 2022 at 20:34 #697870
Quoting Jackson
that I hold it to be an order of coexistences


Always changing then?
Jackson May 19, 2022 at 20:35 #697871
Quoting Daniel
Always changing then?


Yes. Since time and space are not absolutes only relations exist.
Hillary May 19, 2022 at 20:36 #697873
Objects are space. Filled with physical charges.
Hillary May 19, 2022 at 20:41 #697877
Quoting Jackson
Yes. Since time and space are not absolutes only relations exist.


Space and time are absolutely existing. Their metric is relative though. The spacetime I measure is different from the spacetime a moving observer measures.
Relativist May 20, 2022 at 18:59 #698396
Quoting Daniel
If two objects are physical, by which I mean they occupy a space (any space) and are of finite extension - that is, neither object occupies all of the space in which they exist

According to Quantum Field Theory, every quantum field exists at every point of space. Particles are quanta of these fields, so (per the theory) these fields are the fundamental basis for all matter.

Quantum fields don't fit your definition of "physical", and I think that's a problem.