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Science answers to "how?", we need another system to answer the "why?" questions.

M777 May 18, 2022 at 11:22 2075 views 6 comments
Have listened to Dawkins rant that science can give an answer to how the mountains were formed, but asking why have they formed is a silly question.

Am I the only one to understand that the "why?" question is invalid only when looking at it through a scientific framework. So it is not that the question is silly, rather the framework is inappropriate.

Like trying to import a text file with a beautiful poem into a script as an integer. The script will give you a null, which you would interpret as 'there's nothing there', while in reality you are using an incorrect framework to evaluate it.

What do you think?

Comments (6)

180 Proof May 18, 2022 at 16:56 #697105
It's "silly" to ask a stone star or cosmos for its "motives" or "intentions". This is what why questions are: requests for subjective information; thus, it's silly – a category mistake – to address a nonsubjective entity with a why question (pace Aristotle re: teleology).
L'éléphant May 18, 2022 at 18:11 #697134
Quoting M777
Am I the only one to understand that the "why?" question is invalid only when looking at it through a scientific framework. So it is not that the question is silly, rather the framework is inappropriate.

Funny in science, the why overlaps the how and in an attempt to satisfy questions of the why, they would proceed to again explain a phenomenon in terms of how. Why does it rain? Because when water vapor collects in the clouds and precipitation....


jgill May 21, 2022 at 21:16 #698813
Quoting L'éléphant
Funny in science, the why overlaps the how and in an attempt to satisfy questions of the why, they would proceed to again explain a phenomenon in terms of how.


Yes. Lines of demarcation are vague.
Agent Smith August 29, 2022 at 02:12 #734082
Science

1. Explains (causal): The Challenger space shuttle blew up. How (explanation)?

2. Predicts: Such and such will happen and this is why (proof).

The confusion between an explanation (how) & an argument (why) is a well-known issue, possibly because of the word "because" (ambiguous) used to introduce both the explanans & the premises.
180 Proof August 29, 2022 at 11:01 #734202
Reply to Agent Smith There's no "confusion" ...

How A involuntarily happens (i.e. changes).

Why B voluntarily decided and/or acted.
Agent Smith August 29, 2022 at 11:12 #734206
Quoting 180 Proof
There's no "confusion" ...

How A involuntarily happens (i.e. changes).

Why B voluntarily decided and/or acted.


Not sure what ya mean but going by your track record, you're probably right! :cool: