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I have understood...

Agent Smith May 15, 2022 at 09:43 2450 views 13 comments
...that I have not understood!

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180 Proof May 16, 2022 at 02:33 #695728
:fire:
Agent Smith May 18, 2022 at 16:33 #697087
Agent Smith August 20, 2022 at 05:26 #731034
What does it mean to understand?
180 Proof August 20, 2022 at 06:13 #731054
[quote ]What does it mean to understand?[/quote] https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/604354
Agent Smith August 20, 2022 at 06:27 #731060
Reply to 180 Proof

The Einstein Standard

[quote=Albert Einstein]If you can't explain it to a 6-year-old, you don't understand it yourself.[/quote]

180 Proof August 20, 2022 at 15:07 #731149
Reply to Agent Smith Well, you're not a 6 year old ...
Agent Smith August 20, 2022 at 15:13 #731154
Reply to 180 Proof

There are people who claim they're men/women trapped in a woman's/man's body. I can't rule out anything at all.
Yohan September 12, 2022 at 21:00 #738770
Quoting Agent Smith
What does it mean to understand?

Pattern recognition.
Agent Smith September 13, 2022 at 02:34 #738850
Quoting Yohan
Pattern recognition.


I'd have to say sic et non. For example, humans, psychologists say, exhibit patterns in their behavior - we found that out through observation + experiment. However to understand these patterns would require an explanatory hypothesis/theory.

Step 1: Find patterns (what?)
Step 2: Explain the patterns found (why?)

To be fair, both are included in what it means to understand.
Yohan September 13, 2022 at 08:12 #738936
Quoting Agent Smith
Step 1: Find patterns (what?)
Step 2: Explain the patterns found (why?)

Can you explain what it means to explain?
I think of explain as spotting even more pattern. Like, "How does this pattern fit with other patterns?

Agent Smith September 13, 2022 at 08:36 #738940
Quoting Yohan
Can you explain what it means to explain?
I think of explain as spotting even more pattern. Like, "How does this pattern fit with other patterns?


Gravitational phenomena
1. Objects with mass attract (pattern)
2. Mass warps space (explanation of the pattern)

Newton offered none (hypothesis non fingo).

Intriguingly, "explaining" pattern A with pattern B is circular since A = B. Perhaps understanding is just that - recognizing similarities/differences in patterns. Mathematics kinda stands out for the simple reason that some of the patterns we see don't have comparable precedents. Can we say we grok these?
Yohan September 13, 2022 at 09:12 #738951
Reply to Agent Smith
I think technical explanations are an infinite regress. You can keep asking "why" forever.
Only reference to a being can be final. Its like asking why an AI things or does what it does. You can't understand the why of what an AI does just by studying all the data of the AI. You have to think outside of the data.
Agent Smith September 13, 2022 at 10:06 #738968
Quoting Yohan
You can keep asking "why" forever.


Indeed, that's what I'm working on in my spare time and when I remember to. Nothing to report though.