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The order and sequence of life.

TiredThinker March 29, 2022 at 01:14 2850 views 12 comments
Would everyone agree that the limited duration of life and it's various biological phases dictates the order in which we do things and how much time we spend on each part? All driven by society and efficiency?

If we could live forever how would we of done things differently? Any individual opinions on how each of us would of lived our lives differently at every age?

Comments (12)

Shwah March 29, 2022 at 01:20 #674930
Reply to TiredThinker
I think a biological historicism or directive would be insufficient to dictate the phases in our life.
TiredThinker March 29, 2022 at 03:17 #674969
Reply to Shwah

What do you mean?
Shwah March 29, 2022 at 03:25 #674971
Reply to TiredThinker
I mean nurture vs nature showed neither position was sufficient for description of human life.
If it was nature then society would never meaningfully develop while full nurture throws the baby out with the bathwater. You end up getting some boomer geographic historicism like what Jared Diamond had.
I think a better historicism accounts for them both.
Angelo Cannata March 29, 2022 at 09:11 #675038
Reply to TiredThinker
Isn't this what Heidegger exactly meant by saying that we are beings towards death?
Agent Smith March 29, 2022 at 09:26 #675046
Ashrama

[quote=Encyclopedia Britannica]ashrama, also spelled asrama, Sanskrit ??rama, in Hinduism, any of the four stages of life through which a Hindu ideally will pass. The stages are those of (1) the student (brahmacari), marked by chastity, devotion, and obedience to one’s teacher, (2) the householder (grihastha), requiring marriage, the begetting of children, sustaining one’s family and helping support priests and holy men, and fulfillment of duties toward gods and ancestors, (3) the forest dweller (vanaprastha), beginning after the birth of grandchildren and consisting of withdrawal from concern with material things, pursuit of solitude, and ascetic and yogic practices, and (4) the homeless renouncer (sannyasi), involving renouncing all one’s possessions to wander from place to place begging for food, concerned only with union with brahman (the Absolute). Traditionally, moksha (liberation from rebirth) should be pursued only during the last two stages of a person’s life.[/quote]

Stage 1: Brahmacari (devotion to learning)

Stage 2: Grihastha (starting a family)

Stage 3: Vanaprastha (withdrawal from family, beginning one's spiritual journey)

Stage 4: Sannyasi (Spirituality in earnest)

Each of these stages probably last around 25 years, assuming a life-span of a century. Indians/Hindus had long lives and I'm talking about in vedic times! Go figure!

The whole scheme is reminscent of multi-stage rockets. Elon Musk, Richard Branson, Jeff Bezos are you guys reading this?
Agent Smith March 29, 2022 at 09:32 #675049
Quoting TiredThinker
If we could live forever


The idea is not to wish for eternal life, rather the wise move is to ask for eternal youth (neoteny). Have you seen what happens to 500 year-old Greenland sharks? Not a pretty sight to behold!
TiredThinker March 31, 2022 at 01:41 #675774
Reply to Angelo Cannata

No idea who that is.
TiredThinker March 31, 2022 at 01:43 #675776
Reply to Agent Smith

I meant eternal life and eternal health. Age experts tie the two together as the worst disease are the direct result of cellular aging.
TiredThinker March 31, 2022 at 01:45 #675778
So nobody would spend more time learning handwriting, art, math, and all the stuff we currently only get bare minimums assuming most won't be used to the highest levels ever again? Maybe date later in life since procreation isn't a short window anymore. Maybe spiritual retreat at any age. Lots of unintuitive things could happen out of order and to better degrees.
Agent Smith April 01, 2022 at 03:37 #676191
Quoting TiredThinker
eternal life and eternal health


Quoting TiredThinker
cellular aging


The aging (physical or mental) rate is not uniform. If you've had a stressful life, your body advances in age faster than someone who's the same chronological age as you but had an easier life. A manual laborer at 40 looks older than a 40 year old who works in an office. My hunch is that the key to solving the mystery of aging is to be found in this difference.
TiredThinker April 01, 2022 at 03:45 #676195
Reply to Agent Smith

Well age research into to epigenetics has made progress giving people a biological age separate from chronological age. And some have managed to reverse their biological age in some or most cell types. And in mice models they have improved their health to youthful levels and in many cases extended their lives as a result by a good 30%.
Agent Smith April 01, 2022 at 04:05 #676206
Reply to TiredThinker Doesn't it remind you of the Twin Paradox?

A 40 year old waitress' biological clock moves faster than a 40 year old heiress'.