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Kant: a short story by Agent Smith

Jamal March 15, 2022 at 11:05 2075 views 23 comments
NOTE: I'm posting this here for Agent Smith, who was unable to do it himself.

Kant was a happy young man. He had spent a decade pondering deeply on morality and at the end of that period produced his magnus opus - On Duty, The Categorical Imperative. He described in very much detail on the fundamental requirement of unbreakable rules in ethics. He was now even jollier than he used to be.

He wandered out of his humble home one day. He first encountered an old lady. He was about to say hi when all of a sudden, a robber grabbed the old lady's purse and bolted. A policeman was nearby, the policeman saw the whole thing, but did absolutely nothing. The cop proceeded to smiled at Kant. Kant, confused, smiled back. That was that.

A couple of weeks later, Kant was again out of his house. He walked past his favorite restaurant. All good, nothing amiss. He heard screams and when he turned to look, a group of 4 men were assaulting another person. It was quick, the victim was dead. A police car! The cop looked at the victim sprawled on the pavement, and that was it. The cop did nothing and simply drove off.

Kant was deeply puzzled by these two events. There seems to be no laws around here, he concluded.

Third wandering: He was strolling the streets, he saw something he really wanted. Kant being Kant, Kant he thrust his hands into his pocket to look for his wallet - he wanted to pay, that was the rule, at least that was how it was supposed to be. No wallet, he'd forgotten to bring it with him.

His mind raced back to the old lady, theft, the dead man, murder and how the police did absolutely nothing. An idea! Maybe I can do the same, thought Kant. He slowly edged towards the something, palmed it! No one noticed! Good. He made his way to the exit, opened the door and came face to face with two men in blue. One had handcuffs ready, the other said "you're under arrest sir."

Kant was shocked & bewildered. He recognized the two police officers from the last two incidents he'd witnessed. "But, but," Kant stuttered, "what about the old lady, the murdered man?" The two cops looked at Kant, "sir, since you're so fond of rules, the city's decided that the rules apply to you and you alone! Now, if you'll come with us to the police station."

Comments (23)

Fooloso4 March 15, 2022 at 13:58 #667359
Clearly the cops and the city did not understand the categorical imperative. Evidently, you don't either.
EugeneW March 15, 2022 at 14:42 #667369
Reply to Fooloso4

I don't agree. The new imperative, categorically applied by the police and supported by the people of the city, is clear: "Kant stealing or murdering should be acted against by the police and people, including Kant". This is the new categorical imperative.
Fooloso4 March 15, 2022 at 15:56 #667394
Quoting EugeneW
The new imperative


New imperative? Categoric, as used by Kant, means universal.

According to the story:

Quoting jamalrob
the city's decided that the rules apply to you and you alone!


That may be a "new categorical imperative" but it is not Kantian. There is no categorical imperative that applies only to one man and that man alone.
EugeneW March 15, 2022 at 15:59 #667395
Quoting Fooloso4
There is no categorical imperative that applies only to one man and that man alone.


Unless that man wants to enforce his imperative categorically and relentlessly to the people.
Fooloso4 March 15, 2022 at 17:20 #667422
Reply to EugeneW

Perhaps this will help. Kant says:

Act only according to that maxim whereby you can, at the same time, will that it should become a universal law.


What it means for the maxim to be categorical is that it applies universally to all people in all cases without exception. It does not apply selectively to some people or only in some cases.

If:

Quoting jamalrob
the city's decided that the rules apply to you and you alone!


that is not Kant's categorical imperative. It applies to him and to the old lady, and to the four men who murdered someone. If they were not held responsible that has no bearing on his being responsible for his actions. Kant would not have been "shocked & bewildered" that he was arrested.

Quoting jamalrob
An idea! Maybe I can do the same, thought Kant.


If that thought crossed his mind he would have considered his own maxim and realized that he could not do the same.


EugeneW March 15, 2022 at 17:48 #667442
Quoting Fooloso4
If that thought crossed his mind he would have considered his own maxim and realized that he could not do the same.


Couldn't he have adjusted his maxim, after he saw stealing and killing could be done without punishment?
Fooloso4 March 15, 2022 at 19:21 #667491
Quoting EugeneW
Couldn't he have adjusted his maxim, after he saw stealing and killing could be done without punishment?


Do you think he was not already aware of this? The maxim is unconditional. It does not depend on consequences.
EugeneW March 15, 2022 at 19:59 #667501
Reply to Fooloso4

But why can't it be changed? Is there just one imperative possible? Is changing the maxim against the imperative?
Fooloso4 March 15, 2022 at 21:21 #667543
Reply to EugeneW

The categorical imperative is logically determined. Any maxim that leads to a contradiction must be wrong. For example, if there was a universal law to steal the pocketbook of old ladies then the concept of stealing becomes meaningless. If it is what one should do based on the moral law then it would no longer be wrong, and if it is no longer wrong it would not be stealing.
EugeneW March 15, 2022 at 21:44 #667550
Quoting Fooloso4
For example, if there was a universal law to steal the pocketbook of old ladies then the concept of stealing becomes meaningless. If it is what one should do based on the moral law then it would no longer be wrong, and if it is no longer wrong it would not be stealing.


If that rule was universalised by pocketbook stealers, wouldn't it still be wrong? What if you had to steal pocket books from old ladies and stealing them from family of pocketpickers was declared universally wrong?
Fooloso4 March 15, 2022 at 23:36 #667597
Quoting EugeneW
If that rule was universalised by pocketbook stealers, wouldn't it still be wrong?


The point is that it logically cannot be universalized without contradiction.
EugeneW March 15, 2022 at 23:43 #667604
Quoting Fooloso4
The point is that it logically cannot be universalized without contradiction.


What would be the contradiction if they universalised the categorical imperative to steal pocketbooks from old ladies, which would force everybody to be a femagerontic pocketpicker?
Fooloso4 March 16, 2022 at 00:22 #667615
Reply to EugeneW

You cannot steal from someone what does not belong to them.
god must be atheist March 18, 2022 at 05:09 #668684
Okay. The categorical imperative (CI) is logically consistent if all follow it. BUT NOT PRACTICALLY CONSISTENT. The demise of the categorical imperative is human nature. We are not logic-figures like chess pieces. The categorical imperative can go fuck itself, it is an impossible pipe dream by some mental onanizer.
Fooloso4 March 18, 2022 at 18:07 #668968
Reply to god must be atheist

I agree. The attempt to place morality on firm rational grounds fails.
god must be atheist March 18, 2022 at 19:31 #669004
Reply to Fooloso4 Thanks, Fooloso4. After what we have been through, I am very glad we could come to an agreement on a very serious issue.
Fooloso4 March 18, 2022 at 19:43 #669011
Quoting god must be atheist
After what we have been through,


Perhaps what we have been through means something different to me than it does for you. I can think of nothing that we have been through that would prevent me from agreeing with you.

As the song goes, and I tell my wife: "I must be right because I can't be wrong always".



god must be atheist March 18, 2022 at 21:52 #669057
Quoting Fooloso4
As the song goes, and I tell my wife: "I must be right because I can't be wrong always".


Each to his own. My wife would never say such a thing... unless I agree with her. Which I actually do, and it's actually a good idea more than just to keep the peace... she's smart as a tack. And she is alert, and keeps track of things.
god must be atheist March 18, 2022 at 21:57 #669059
Reply to Fooloso4 TV crew goes out to a couple who had been married non-stop for 77 years. The interviewer asks the guy, "What do you attribute the longevity of your marriage to?" He replies, "The division of decision areas and not crossing the lines." "What do you mean?" asks the reporter. The old man says, "Well, I take care of the big decisions, she takes care of the little decisions. For instance, she decides where to go for holidays, whom to invite for dinner, what colour the walls should be, when do we need a new car. I make the big decisions!! I decide who must win the Russian-Ukranian war, what amount per litre the gas prices must not go over, how high the interest rates should be, and who should be the next POTUS."

This is to put in perspective what I referred to as a "very serious issue".
Fooloso4 March 19, 2022 at 01:52 #669190
Reply to god must be atheist

I checked with my wife. She said it was okay for me to decide Kant was wrong, but it is still up to her whether he gets invited to dinner.
lll March 19, 2022 at 01:57 #669195
Quoting jamalrob
The two cops looked at Kant, "sir, since you're so fond of rules, the city's decided that the rules apply to you and you alone! Now, if you'll come with us to the police station."


This is fun ending. The story probably deserves the effort involved in polishing it up. It's a good plot for one of those philosophical comic strips too. It may not be the best intro the Kantigorical Imperative, but it's a good joke on systematizing philosophers.
god must be atheist March 20, 2022 at 00:04 #669680
Reply to Fooloso4 My wife and I also stick to our roles of "big" and "small" division of decisions. The Big: I decide who comes for dinner. I make a guest list. The Small is hers, a simple choice between yes and no. She and I play a game of chess. Some of the days I get my wish if I win, then some other days, if I lose. She makes this choice mentally before the game, and then she reveals her choice to me after the game.

This is random, she swears, but I challenged her once that maybe it is not, as my friends never even once ate with us. To which she replied, there is no test for randomness, maybe I should give my head a shake and that I had better take out the garbage and wash the dishes before vacuuming the house and riding the stationary bike to generate enough electric power to watch tv that night.
EugeneW March 20, 2022 at 00:38 #669692
Quoting Fooloso4
You cannot steal from someone what does not belong to them.


If all people are forced to steal, the things stolen can still be considered property.