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Baden December 24, 2021 at 23:52 2500 views 62 comments
She barely remembered the dream, but as she transitioned into wakefulness, the taught feathers of a massive golden wing gently brushed her back. Fully awake now, she heard its wind-like rustling caress her bare skin. She slowly turned and watched it disappear like a reverse tornado in slow motion, dissolving into the golden morning sun pouring through her bedroom window. She lay for a few moments, basking in the rare but familiar feeling. All the years of emotional weight, trauma, and stress lifted momentarily from her psyche. She felt the weightlessness of some forgotten childhood morning in which the entire world was brimming with the energy of a beehive. Moments later everything exhaled like air from a diaphragm and the feeling dissipated. She curled up, wishing she could sink into the bed like a stone. Gradually she unfurled and glanced at the clock. 9:15AM. Overslept again; the vet was already open. Self-loathing rolled over her. She lethargically got out of bed and felt for her robe, stubbing her tow on the bedpost.
She limped into the kitchen and sloppily poured almond milk over a bowl of Wheat Chex. As the kettle for her coffee began to whine, her phone rang. She heard it just in time to answer.
“Yes?”
“Laura? Are you ok? We’ve already got a pretty big backlog of patients to see, are you going to be in soon? There’s a rottweiler that looks pretty critical. Astro, from last week; we ran tests on him, remember?” Laura groaned. Guilt faded in; it was the second time this month she’d been late from oversleeping.
“So sorry Chloe, I’m leaving in two minutes. Please thank everyone for their patience, all that stuff.”
“Ok. See you soon.”

As she power-walked to the train, a flash of light glinted off the white feathers of a mourning dove, reminding her of this morning’s episode. It had been a particularly peaceful, almost cleansing one; they weren’t always. Sometimes a giant black wing would beat into her violently as the creature took off in flight, leaving her shivering on the bed with sores on her back. Other times the scales of a huge oily fish would grate into her breasts, pinning her helplessly to the bed as it swam upstream, filling her nostrils with stench. Only once, she had felt the warm kiss of a massive thoroughbred horse on her ear, and heard its stately, operatic breathing as it galloped away. She longed for that moment, but these peaceful episodes were too rare. For a while she had tried to determine if certain types of episodes corresponded with certain states of mind, levels of stress, relative happiness, depression. She made charts, she kept journals logging as much information as possible, trying to draw connections between countless factors. But there was no logic. It had become a form of torture, the beautiful moments as much or more so than the macabre.
She was only a few steps from the train when her phone rang.
“Hey.”
“Hey Laura...I know you’re at work, sorry, just wanted to talk for a quick second? I know I’ve been kind of a jerk lately, but last night you just seemed really out of touch and I couldn’t stop thinking about it, and I’m just like...I don’t know, I guess it’s two things, one, I’m apologizing for being a dick, and two, I feel like maybe I’ve dropped the ball ‘cause you seem...depressed or something? Like -” She closed her eyes as he rambled, then cut him off.
“Stanley, I can’t talk right now, I overslept and I’m about to get on the train.” She spoke in the voice of a babysitter.
“Oh damn babe, ok...like, you’re not even there – right, got it, sorry, yeah, should we get dinner tonight after work maybe?” Why could he never make a definitive plan himself? She indulged her frustration.
“Maybe.”
“Ok...so...love you hun, I’ll text you...”
“Ok.” She hung up and sprinted down the stairs of the station.

Wading through the crowd on the platform, she saw the 6 arriving and just barely caught the doors of the train. It groaned to a bloated start, picked up speed, and screeched out of the station. With a shudder she remembered the scream of a dinosaur-like bird she had once caught a glimpse of as it took flight, lifting off her shoulders as she sat up in bed sweating, drops of blood dripping down her arms. She tried to shut the memory out of her mind, going through a mental rolodex of the pets she would treat today. Putting on headphones, she began playing Erik Satie’s Gymnopedies to calm her stress, but soon after, a maskless man came through the emergency doors of the train.
“Spare change, spare some change.” He slowly moved through the crowd and mild tension hit the air. There had been a resurgence recently, and the anxiety of being near maskless riders was palpable. As he moved past Laura, he caught her eye, and his normal routine suddenly shifted. He raised his voice.
“As above so below my friends, you feel me? Whatever you’re thinkin’ in your mind’s gonna come out in your hand...all ya’ll with nothing in your hand got nothing in your mind. Treasure in hand, treasure in mind. Empty hand, empty mind. It comes back around motherfuckers, I know that, I surely surely do. As above so below, as below so above. The cosmos and your minds, motherfuckers. It goes all the way up. All the way down. That shit does.”
Laura’s vision blurred, and a wave of panic wafted through the air in front of her. She felt the prickly spine of some massive lizard move slowly up her back. No, no, no. Not in public. This rarely happened; it was maybe the third time in ten years.
“Half of ya got mad dim auras, bro. Nobody on this train is shinin’ but we’re all stardust and light, yeah, that’s all it is but half of ya made up of dirt and shit. Look at you. You got no aura on earth then you got no aura on the astral, bro. Empty mind, empty hand. Spare some change.”
She felt the claws of the lizard idly grasp for a footing on her shoulder. Her heart beat faster. The lizard’s breathing was small but the slurp of its tongue in her ear turned her stomach to jelly. Riders began moving away from the man as he slowly sauntered through the train, staring people down as he blabbered away. The doors opened at the next stop and Laura groaned. He broke the unspoken rule and didn’t move on to the next car.
“You know what it is? Nobody on this damn train looks up. Everybody lookin’ down. Looking at those damn screens, face in the dirt, hands in the mud. Nobody’s lookin’ up. Look up and you see everything, get it? Not hard. So below, so above, right?” He lowered himself down in front of a man’s ashen face and yelled “Get ya damn face out the phone!” Someone screamed “Put a mask on motherfucker!”, and now the lizard’s bottom claws were perched on Laura’s shoulders and she felt it bending over her head to peer into her face. She shut her eyes tight, feeling the slosh of vertigo building in her ears. God, let it stop, she pleaded. At that moment the train doors opened, and a second panhandler burst unto the train in full swing. The two tirades collided.
“Excuse me ladies and gentlemen, SORRY TO BOTHER YOU,” the newcomer yelled at an unnecessary volume, “I just NEED A PLACE TO STAY TONIGHT and I’m asking for DONATIONS, any -”
“This loser right here’s not lookin’ up, nobody REALIZES how it really is!”
“Hey, get the FUCK off my train motherfucker!”
“Empty hand, empty mind, what do you got in your hand? NOTHIN’!”
Laura suppressed a panicked scream, covered her ears, and felt the lizard climb down her torso. Amongst the chaos she somehow heard the train conductor call out the stop before hers, and with a herculean force of will she bolted up from her seat and staggered through the train doors.
Shaking, she weakly trudged up the steps of the station. The late morning sun shone down on her, burning away the last lingering sensations. She steadied herself on the railing for a moment, simply breathing. Slowly the sounds of the bustling city flowed back into her awareness and she opened her tear-stained eyes. She felt an odd mix of relief and anger. What had triggered it, she wondered? Hopefully no one on the train had seen her private meltdown or smelled anything reptilian. She began to walk the extra ten minutes to work, slowly at first, measuring her balance, then quickly to make up lost time.

As she walked, a stray cat suddenly darted across her path. Instinctively, she kneeled, catching its eye and gently trying to coax it towards her. Come love me, she thought. Daintily setting her fingertips on the sidewalk like paws, she made eye contact and slowly blinked. The cat stared back uncertainly, frozen. She reached into her purse and fished out a treat. Dog treat, but close enough. Slowly the cat approached. Its fur was bedraggled and filthy; there was a scar on it’s face. Finally, after an agonizing thirty seconds, it walked up and took the treat. Miraculously, the cat set the treat down in front of Laura and munched away. She slowly, carefully reached out to stroke the cat’s head.
“Hi there,” she whispered. As her fingers brushed the soft fur, the cat winced and pulled away slightly. “It’s ok, it’s ok.” As she gently stroked the cat’s chin, she wondered what it was like for an animal to be touched by a strange human hand, and to be spoken to in sounds it would never understand. Remembering her tardiness, she stood up, feeling renewed, and walked on.

Comments (62)

john27 December 25, 2021 at 03:12 #634694
I enjoyed it, but can't exactly fathom why she would freak out. I'd love to have a lizard companion.
god must be atheist December 25, 2021 at 21:15 #634877
Reply to john27 Because Prada makes purses out of lizards. It is frightening to imagine the inyards of a lizard which are not credit cards but other stuff.

Caveat: my comment is a response to John, not an opinion, implied or expressed, on the story or on its writer.
john27 December 25, 2021 at 21:38 #634891
Quoting god must be atheist
Caveat: my comment is a response to John, not an opinion, implied or expressed, on the story or on its writer.


A disclaimer?! What have they done to you my poor man.



god must be atheist December 25, 2021 at 21:42 #634893
Quoting john27
my poor man.


Yes, Yes, but the proper PC expression, to invalidate future cancel cultural attacks, is "my poor spectrum boy." This may be misleading; so may I please clarify this by saying I am at the traditional extreme of the rainbow.
god must be atheist December 25, 2021 at 21:45 #634899
Quoting john27
What have they done to you


I am practicing to be good. Not to be obnoxious and rude and abrupt. It's either the spirit of the season, or else the psychological influence you have exercised on me. You are enviably equitable and non-confrontational. Makes one sick, to the point where they want to get a personality lift due to the powerful example.
john27 December 25, 2021 at 21:56 #634904
Quoting god must be atheist
Yes, Yes, but the proper PC expression, to invalidate future cancel cultural attacks, is "my poor spectrum boy." This may be misleading; so may I please clarify this by saying I am at the traditional extreme of the rainbow.


Haha, My bad. I'll remember next time :nerd:

Quoting god must be atheist
I am practicing to be good. Not to be obnoxious and rude and abrupt.


Well, I can already see the fruits of your labor Mr. Atheist.

Quoting god must be atheist
You are enviably equitable and non-confrontational. Makes one sick, to the point where they want to get a personality lift due to the powerful example.


That's super nice. Thank you.

Amity December 28, 2021 at 09:56 #636054
Visitations

Vivid and scary scenes. This haunted me after a 1st read:
Quoting Baden
“Hey, get the FUCK off my train motherfucker!”


I could see the image; the face of the angry man as he screamed...
"Get Off My Train!! ".

...to Patrick Swayze:

Quoting Baden
The two tirades collided.


Ghost (1990) - The Subway Scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKeIW8kaZbk

Different kinds of visitation throughout this story. From the soothing sight of a gentle flutter...

Quoting Baden
She barely remembered the dream, but as she transitioned into wakefulness, the taught feathers of a massive golden wing gently brushed her back. Fully awake now, she heard its wind-like rustling caress her bare skin. She slowly turned and watched it disappear like a reverse tornado in slow motion, dissolving into the golden morning sun pouring through her bedroom window.


To the nightmarish:
Quoting Baden
Other times the scales of a huge oily fish would grate into her breasts, pinning her helplessly to the bed as it swam upstream, filling her nostrils with stench.


But that first paragraph is bugging my brain. Another story, another time - what ?
Ah yes.

The Butterfly Effect. The Butterfly Dream.
Quoting Learnreligions: A Taoist Allegory
Of all the famous Taoist parables attributed to Chinese philosopher Zhuangzi (Chuang-tzu) (369 BCE to 286 BCE), few are more famous than the story of the butterfly dream, which serves as an articulation of Taoism's challenge toward definitions of reality vs. illusion.


Reality v Illusion.

All the senses surveyed in this physical and mental onslaught.
Touch, smell, hearing and sight. Taste, do we have taste ?
How real? We 'feel' them as we read...so real ? Hmmm. Surreal.
Sensory or extra-sensory perception ?
The author isn't scared to explore the psyche or supernatural and still incorporate the scientific.
Mind over matter ?

Quoting Baden
For a while she had tried to determine if certain types of episodes corresponded with certain states of mind, levels of stress, relative happiness, depression. She made charts, she kept journals logging as much information as possible, trying to draw connections between countless factors. But there was no logic. It had become a form of torture, the beautiful moments as much or more so than the macabre.


The reality of the present covid scare. 'Maskless riders' looking for money. Twisty trick and turn from the masked horsemen who robbed the rich to give to the poor. Highway Robbery. A Highwayman.
In this case a Lowwayman...maybe...

Quoting Baden
...the anxiety of being near maskless riders was palpable. As he moved past Laura, he caught her eye, and his normal routine suddenly shifted. He raised his voice.
“As above so below my friends, you feel me? Whatever you’re thinkin’ in your mind’s gonna come out in your hand...all ya’ll with nothing in your hand got nothing in your mind. Treasure in hand, treasure in mind. Empty hand, empty mind. It comes back around motherfuckers, I know that, I surely surely do. As above so below, as below so above. The cosmos and your minds, motherfuckers. It goes all the way up. All the way down. That shit does.”


What is it about L-aura...an aura-l attraction?

Quoting Baden
Nobody on this train is shinin’ but we’re all stardust and light, yeah, that’s all it is but half of ya made up of dirt and shit. Look at you. You got no aura on earth then you got no aura on the astral, bro. Empty mind, empty hand. Spare some change.”


That's us told then.
As for the lizard.
Quoting Baden
She felt the claws of the lizard idly grasp for a footing on her shoulder. Her heart beat faster. The lizard’s breathing was small but the slurp of its tongue in her ear turned her stomach to jelly.


What's the lizard trying to do. Excite or explore. Both ?

Quoting Baden
...now the lizard’s bottom claws were perched on Laura’s shoulders and she felt it bending over her head to peer into her face


Why would it peer? A psychic analysis ? Her 'underbelly' ?

Quoting NCBI: The Reptilian Brain
“Deep inside the skull of every one of us there is something like a brain of a crocodile. Surrounding the R-complex is the limbic system or mammalian brain, which evolved tens of millions of years ago in ancestors who were mammal but not yet primates. It is a major source of our moods and emotions, of our concern and care for the young. And finally, on the outside, living in uneasy truce with the more primitive brains beneath, is the cerebral cortex; civilization is a product of the cerebral cortex.”

— Carl Sagan, Cosmos p.276–277


Laura is looking for love...like an animal...

Quoting Baden
As she walked, a stray cat suddenly darted across her path. Instinctively, she kneeled, catching its eye and gently trying to coax it towards her. Come love me, she thought. Daintily setting her fingertips on the sidewalk like paws, she made eye contact and slowly blinked


Is that why she chose her occupation as a vet ? She has empathy - psychopathy - an empath.

Quoting Baden
“Hi there,” she whispered. As her fingers brushed the soft fur, the cat winced and pulled away slightly. “It’s ok, it’s ok.” As she gently stroked the cat’s chin, she wondered what it was like for an animal to be touched by a strange human hand, and to be spoken to in sounds it would never understand. Remembering her tardiness, she stood up, feeling renewed, and walked on.


She is a professional vet with all the necessary skills to deal with 'Astro the Rottweiler'.
(What's in a name, huh ?)
Objective analysis and attention to detail is crucial combined with compassion and communication.
A horse-whisperer longing for peace:

Quoting Baden
Only once, she had felt the warm kiss of a massive thoroughbred horse on her ear, and heard its stately, operatic breathing as it galloped away. She longed for that moment, but these peaceful episodes were too rare.


Beautiful.
And thoughtful.
Who else wonders as they take comfort from a cat just how heavy a human hand might be?
And what other animals are thinking...in their own language...

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A Sensational Story. Full marks :100:
Quoting Baden
“Empty hand, empty mind, what do you got in your hand? NOTHIN’!”


Thanks for the donation. Filling the brain and heart anew. Renewed :fire:
















Amity December 28, 2021 at 09:58 #636055
Reply to god must be atheist
Reply to john27

Come on, guys. Rise to the challenge, I know you can :up:
god must be atheist December 28, 2021 at 10:29 #636059
Quoting Amity
Come on, guys. Rise to the challenge, I know you can :up:


I don't know if I will or if I won't. At this time I'm busy, too buys, fighting other demons.
john27 December 28, 2021 at 10:32 #636060
Reply to Amity

I'm on it :cool:
Amity December 28, 2021 at 10:38 #636063
Reply to john27
Look forward :up:

Amity December 28, 2021 at 10:44 #636064
john27 December 28, 2021 at 11:20 #636071
Quoting Baden
She curled up, wishing she could sink into the bed like a stone. Gradually she unfurled and glanced at the clock. 9:15AM. Overslept again; the vet was already open. Self-loathing rolled over her. She lethargically got out of bed and felt for her robe, stubbing her tow on the bedpost.
She limped into the kitchen and sloppily poured almond milk over a bowl of Wheat Chex. As the kettle for her coffee began to whine, her phone rang. She heard it just in time to answer.


My first thought on the lizards appearance, was that in-fact it did not appear, it already was. That she was in a dream, or like Bag Lady in Plum Pie a delusionary state. However, hearing a clock, stubbing your toe, feeling for your robe, it would seem that early on it establishes that it's not very likely.

Quoting Baden
“Laura? Are you ok? We’ve already got a pretty big backlog of patients to see, are you going to be in soon? There’s a rottweiler that looks pretty critical. Astro, from last week; we ran tests on him, remember?” Laura groaned. Guilt faded in; it was the second time this month she’d been late from oversleeping.


She's a veterinarian, has a bunch of patients, to which she has already been late? But why, was she late? Hmm...

Quoting Baden
As she power-walked to the train, a flash of light glinted off the white feathers of a mourning dove, reminding her of this morning’s episode. It had been a particularly peaceful, almost cleansing one; they weren’t always. Sometimes a giant black wing would beat into her violently as the creature took off in flight, leaving her shivering on the bed with sores on her back. Other times the scales of a huge oily fish would grate into her breasts, pinning her helplessly to the bed as it swam upstream, filling her nostrils with stench. Only once, she had felt the warm kiss of a massive thoroughbred horse on her ear, and heard its stately, operatic breathing as it galloped away.


Here we have a series of animal "visitations" that this veterinarian engages in when she falls asleep. So
instead of a delusionary experience, to me it would seem its much closer to an intricate, precise understanding of our reality. She's "talking", (if one could call it that) to presumably her animal patients, after death. Either that, or something else animal-like.

Quoting Baden
“Hey.”
“Hey Laura...I know you’re at work, sorry, just wanted to talk for a quick second? I know I’ve been kind of a jerk lately, but last night you just seemed really out of touch and I couldn’t stop thinking about it, and I’m just like...I don’t know, I guess it’s two things, one, I’m apologizing for being a dick, and two, I feel like maybe I’ve dropped the ball ‘cause you seem...depressed or something? Like -” She closed her eyes as he rambled, then cut him off.


Last Night!?!? What happened last night? Or does it even matter...

Quoting Baden
“Stanley, I can’t talk right now, I overslept and I’m about to get on the train.” She spoke in the voice of a babysitter.


Guess not.

Quoting Baden
Putting on headphones, she began playing Erik Satie’s Gymnopedies to calm her stress, but soon after, a maskless man came through the emergency doors of the train.


I put on this song to see what it felt like; In my opinion, it's probably not the best choice of music in a therapeutic sense. For sure it'll calm an aspect of your stress, but as well it seems to fuel a sort of melancholic mysteria, a tone that Laura is engaged in very heavily.

Quoting Baden
a maskless man came through the emergency doors of the train.



The introduction of a maskless man. Can't conform to society; Can't conform to reality? I have a suspicion he has something to do with Laura's dreams.

Quoting Baden
She felt the prickly spine of some massive lizard move slowly up her back. No, no, no. Not in public. This rarely happened; it was maybe the third time in ten years.


Hm...Yep, that homeless dude is fishy.

Quoting Baden
“Half of ya got mad dim auras, bro. Nobody on this train is shinin’ but we’re all stardust and light, yeah, that’s all it is but half of ya made up of dirt and shit. Look at you. You got no aura on earth then you got no aura on the astral, bro. Empty mind, empty hand. Spare some change.”


Giving evidence to a sort of underlying reality that the general populous can't see, changing his behaviour when he sees Laura; She is as we suspected, an outlier. Probably.

From then on it crescendo's into chaos, with the introduction of another pan-handler. The lizard becomes more vicious in its reality, and then..

.Quoting Baden
She felt an odd mix of relief and anger. What had triggered it, she wondered? Hopefully no one on the train had seen her private meltdown or smelled anything reptilian. She began to walk the extra ten minutes to work, slowly at first, measuring her balance, then quickly to make up lost time.


It disappears. Along with that, no other passengers, save for the Above Below guy noticed the lizards appearance. She goes and pets a kitty and walks on. Alls well that ends well.

So what can we make of this? Well like Reply to Amity alluded to, it seems to be some sort of intense, forced transformation in the way she see's the world due to her intense guilt and depressive sensations she has endured, presumably on rottweilers like Astro. The story in and of itself seems to be talking about the intrinsic difference's between animal and humankind, and that the sense of distance isn't as far as it seems.

After all, So above, so below.

That's what I got out of it. Interesting read.
god must be atheist December 28, 2021 at 11:35 #636073
The writer captures how anything can happen in a subway train in a mega-city. The alienation. The anger. The coming together of broken lives and lives that don't care about other lives. It's a melting pot of misery on the scale of nuclear disaster, subway trains are.

The lizard? I think of it as a gargoyle. A symbol of protection by ugl. So ugly that it turns away people. Scares them, despite in and by itself it's not in a position to attack and hurt.

We turn each other away by showing our subway face. No, we don't attack. We show instead our face to the people, and watch the iPhone in isolation--for looking at others would scare the living bejeezus out of us.

And the person we give the biggest scare to, and who scare us the most are our own selves.

-----------------

Subways are the ultimate answer of cities against the notion of community.

The subway scene is a bit detached from the other parts of the story, but not as a discontinuation, but as a break of flow. Intentional, and well done at it. The morning laze in the sunshine is one of the sweetest moments one can experience... mine gets usually broken by a strong urge to go to the washroom.

I almost did not read the entry after the first few sentences, where taut was spelled as taught. But now I am extremely glad that I did continue the reading.
Amity December 29, 2021 at 10:16 #636330
Quoting john27
So instead of a delusionary experience, to me it would seem its much closer to . an intricate, precise understanding of our reality. She's "talking", (if one could call it that) to presumably her animal patients, after death. Either that, or something else animal-like.

“Hey.”
“Hey Laura...I know you’re at work, sorry, just wanted to talk for a quick second? I know I’ve been kind of a jerk lately, but last night you just seemed really out of touch and I couldn’t stop thinking about it, and I’m just like...I don’t know, I guess it’s two things, one, I’m apologizing for being a dick, and two, I feel like maybe I’ve dropped the ball ‘cause you seem...depressed or something? Like -” She closed her eyes as he rambled, then cut him off.
— Baden

Last Night!?!? What happened last night? Or does it even matter...

“Stanley, I can’t talk right now, I overslept and I’m about to get on the train.” She spoke in the voice of a babysitter.
— Baden

Guess not.


I missed that. About it being an 'intricate, precise understanding of our reality'.
What do you mean ?

I don't know what's going on there. You've made me think. Hallucinations ?
Together with 'last night you just seemed really out of touch'. Could she be schizophrenic having small absences or Quoting academic.oup:schizophrenia
pockets of emptiness


Maybe why she seems to prefer the company of animals to humans; she has better communication and relationships with them - they don't judge...

Quoting john27
Putting on headphones, she began playing Erik Satie’s Gymnopedies to calm her stress, but soon after, a maskless man came through the emergency doors of the train.
— Baden

I put on this song to see what it felt like; In my opinion, it's probably not the best choice of music in a therapeutic sense. For sure it'll calm an aspect of your stress, but as well it seems to fuel a sort of melancholic mysteria, a tone that Laura is engaged in very heavily.


I meant to do that ! Will have to listen later.
It would be interesting to see the brainwaves as she listens...

Quoting Choralnet: A Cognitive Crescendo
“The story of your brain on music is the story of an exquisite orchestration of brain regions, involving both the oldest and newest parts of the human brain, and regions as far apart as the cerebellum in the back of the head and the frontal lobes just behind your eyes.” — Daniel J. Levitin, This is Your Brain on Music


Quoting john27
Well like ?Amity alluded to, it seems to be some sort of intense, forced transformation in the way she see's the world due to her intense guilt and depressive sensations she has endured, presumably on rottweilers like Astro. The story in and of itself seems to be talking about the intrinsic difference's between animal and humankind, and that the sense of distance isn't as far as it seems.


Did I allude to that ? I must pay more attention...can't remember that at all... !

Thanks for spending time and effort on this.
As a matter of interest, how long did it take you, roughly ?
It's taken more than a chunk out of my day. But that's what I wanted to do.
Now getting weary.
Two more stories to go...




Amity December 29, 2021 at 10:30 #636331
Quoting god must be atheist
The writer captures how anything can happen in a subway train in a mega-city. The alienation. The anger. The coming together of broken lives and lives that don't care about other lives. It's a melting pot of misery on the scale of nuclear disaster, subway trains are.


Well. You paint a pretty picture, doncha ?!
My experience of the underground has varied.
Two extremes: one instance of physical unease and one where people treated each other well. Giving up their seats. Guess it depends on where and at what time. Mostly, it's boring A to B.
This story is WAY out there, taking the alienation that wee bit further along the line. I loved it.

Quoting god must be atheist
I almost did not read the entry after the first few sentences, where taut was spelled as taught. But now I am extremely glad that I did continue the reading.


I didn't even notice that and if I had it wouldn't have pooot me off reeding!
I returned to catch it and then this beauty:
Quoting Baden
She slowly turned and watched it disappear like a reverse tornado in slow motion, dissolving into the golden morning sun pouring through her bedroom window


Glad you continued and shared your thoughts :up:




Tobias December 29, 2021 at 12:41 #636340
To this story I do relate, though in a different time of life, in a different setting and with different 'visitations'. When I was 4, or 5, maybe even a bit older, I used to complain to my parents about 'seeing the scary heads'.

There were a number of faces I saw. Usually when I was in my bed at night, (as is common in children) but I could also see them at daytime, never outside though, always in the house, almost always my room. There was a man, bronzed or lightly colored, with curly long black hair, full lips and a big nose who would watch through my window. He was not directly looking at me, but looking inside the room, he was clearly behind the window, not insside. There were three others, they broke through the walls when they came, literally emerging through the walls.

They were scary to me, but not necessarily objectively scary looking. There was the head of a bald white, older man, a round face, puffy, with an angry look on his face, well angry maybe not, but stern. Come to think of it, he looked a but like Mikail Gorbatjov, but then less kind. A second one was also older, bit with a slender face, he had a smile but I considered it a bad smile, he had blue eyes and looked older but playful, gleeful even, of him I was most scared. A third had some scary features, like thick red lips and a very pale skin. I was least scared of him though and remember him in less detail.

My parents did not know what to do. Sometimes I could also sleepwalk as if chased, sometimes I came out of my room just scared. They had no idea. They asked questions, one question my mother asked was "what happens when you look at them?". I was too scared to look and turned my head when I saw them. I would peek back and see them again and turn my head again. One night or morning I mustered my courage and looked. I managed a couple of seconds. I did it again when I saw them again and looked on a bit longer. One night I noticed I could look at them and I started to memorize then, taking in every detail, every feature, scars, or spots, form of the eyes. They moved a bit, coming a bit seemingly talking, but they did not manage to scare me anymore. When they came I looked and eventually I knew them so well. They began to belong there and they came less and less frequently. The man behind the window lingered longest and could still appear even in my early teens. The others were long gone by then.

The story I feel captures this image of a tangible, but not entirely known fear very well. Her fear is more of the social kind while mine was more of the lonely kind, but the feeling and emotions are brought home very vividly.

Perhaps the protagonist could use the strategy. Look at the scary companions, feel their touch, how does it exactly feel, the wing? How does the fish smell exactly, every change in odour noticed and ingrained. I feel at least in my case they were appearances of fear itself, not a certain kind of fear. Fear tends to become more feeble when it is looked at and probed directly. The thing you fear is not that fearful in itself, just like the heads were not that fearful in themselves. Of course fear constantly appears in new guises and challenge you again, but that is a different story. I feel the strategy is the same though.
john27 December 29, 2021 at 19:33 #636384
Quoting Amity
Reality v Illusion.

All the senses surveyed in this physical and mental onslaught.
Touch, smell, hearing and sight. Taste, do we have taste ?
How real? We 'feel' them as we read...so real ? Hmmm. Surreal.
Sensory or extra-sensory perception ?
The author isn't scared to explore the psyche or supernatural and still incorporate the scientific.
Mind over matter ?


Quoting Amity
Laura is looking for love...like an animal...


Quoting Amity
What's the lizard trying to do. Excite or explore. Both ?


Quoting Amity
Did I allude to that ? I must pay more attention...can't remember that at all... !


When I read your criticism, it kickstarted in me a sort of-underlying-world-with-animals kind of feel, so I rolled with it. maybe alluded wasn't the best word :sweat:

Quoting Amity
I missed that. About it being an 'intricate, precise understanding of our reality'.
What do you mean ?


I saw the dreams as a release of the supernatural, or of some supernatural entity bringing her (or trying to bring her) to some sort of realization about her position, or how she see's the world, with its intense emotions and whatnot. It's more or less just the impression I got.
john27 December 29, 2021 at 19:35 #636387
Quoting Tobias
To this story I do relate, though in a different time of life, in a different setting and with different 'visitations'. When I was 4, or 5, maybe even a bit older, I used to complain to my parents about 'seeing the scary heads'.


Thats funny, because I think I had a friend who had the same/similar sort of experience. Makes you think sometimes...
praxis December 29, 2021 at 21:33 #636436
Reply to Tobias

Perhaps a light brush with schizophrenia, if that's possible.

I had a friend who developed it at the usual age, around 18. It wasn't pretty. We'd be on the beach looking at the waves and he'd be hopping around like a rabbit.
Noble Dust December 30, 2021 at 05:53 #636572
Reply to Tobias

Fascinating to read about your experience. It sounds like it was very visceral. I was quite a sleepwalker as a child, but only have vague memories of seeing faces as I was falling asleep; particularly a rather oger-ish character through the bedroom doorway (left open to let light in). Probably just imagination. I do wonder about these experiences, and am not one to write them off in the name of Lord Science Our Savior.
Jamal December 30, 2021 at 08:08 #636591
Well I finally read this one in full. Maybe it's a trivial objection but I was put off by the formatting, the lack of line breaks.

Now that I've read it, I find I like it a lot. It's fascinating and lingering, affecting and disturbing. The animal visitations combined with the stress of being late for work, and especially that horrible feeling of commuting when you're late--it all worked together to produce a fevered, tense mood.

I liked the appearance of the annoying boyfriend. It deepened the sense of her dissatisfaction and alienation.

The visitations themselves are mysterious and disturbing, because it's not clear how real they are. It's the fact that they lie somewhere in between reality and illusion that hooks the attention. This isn't undermined by the possibility that the character is nuts.

As she gently stroked the cat’s chin, she wondered what it was like for an animal to be touched by a strange human hand, and to be spoken to in sounds it would never understand.


This ending is perfect, a kind of mirroring of her own visitations.
Amity December 30, 2021 at 08:37 #636597
Quoting Noble Dust
I do wonder about these experiences, and am not one to write them off in the name of Lord Science Our Savior.


Yes, such experiences demand an explanation, don't they ?

That sounds like you don't have much faith in 'Science' whatever you think that is.
I'm thinking aloud here about my own understanding:

It isn't some kind of a God but without it, humans wouldn't know as much as we do in a variety of fields.
Generally, it's about observing and gathering information to describe and explain natural phenomena.
What is meant by 'natural phenomena' and what is ruled out ?
Which field of 'science' studies what, how and by whom.
So, people are involved. And they are, for sure, not gods.
The attempt is to be systematic and that can be done by individuals for themselves, as in:

Quoting Baden
For a while she had tried to determine if certain types of episodes corresponded with certain states of mind, levels of stress, relative happiness, depression. She made charts, she kept journals logging as much information as possible, trying to draw connections between countless factors. But there was no logic. It had become a form of torture, the beautiful moments as much or more so than the macabre.


However, individuals who are suffering; whose minds and bodies aren't working to best capacity may not be well placed to undertake this kind of applied examination of self. Self.
How many people, even after a life of philosophy, creativity really know themselves.

When reading short stories, such as this, it gives pause to think and compare our experiences or those of our friends and family. We love, live and learn.
But not always objectively. Usually, it's a mix and through our self-coloured lens.

What made me sick today? Something I ate, could be a virus, covid ?
Science plays an important part but some deny any explanation or preventive methods, such as vaccination. Science is always a work in progress for better or worse, depending.

TPF discussions can be excellent when life aspects are explored in all their glory.
However, many times there are fixed positions and eternal, heated arguments. Some so bitter that, even if the individuals have something of value to say on another topic, they are instantly dismissed and ignored.

TPF, especially in the last 2yrs with this Competition ( thanks all !) has made increasing space for the creatives. These fascinating short stories have been full of philosophical questions.
But still stuck in the Lounge with all its connotations of 'unworthiness'.

Reading can make us stop and think.
Writing about what we are reading can deepen our awareness and understanding via imagination.
Imagination and Creativity crucial.
How inspiration works - where does it come from - is a bit of a mystery. It's mental !

Writing is both a Science and an Art:
Quoting Web Writer Spotlight: Why Writing is both a Science and an Art
Writing, in all its varied forms, is an empowering and complex process. It calls upon the writer to bring together the random thoughts in their left and right parts of the brain and shape them into something useful, beautiful and inspiring so another person can follow and understand it.

The need to feel understood and to know what others think matters and is universal.



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Quoting Baden
She made charts, she kept journals logging as much information as possible, trying to draw connections between countless factors. But there was no logic.


Did she have all the necessary tools to hand to look inside her head ?
The interaction between body and mind.

The importance of sleep, diet etc....
How thorough was she ? 'Countess factors' is a bit vague...
As a vet, did she think to contact medical professionals ?
For blood chemistry samples, for starters.
Or was she biased - due to her belief system ?

What did she mean by 'logic' ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic

Again, this short story has been exciting in so many ways - still provoking thought :sparkle:






Amity December 30, 2021 at 09:25 #636607
I had meant to add something about schizophrenia.
Along the lines of: Gone are the days when the evil spirits were beaten out of the sufferer.
But, are they ?
I found this rather disturbing:

Quoting selfgrowth: schizophrenia

...Another sign of possession is the subject reacting to the suggestion of a depossession with anxiety, contempt, or even anger (perhaps this is why some in the medical field react so strongly to the idea?). The lost soul, or even demonic energy “on board” doesn’t like the idea of being forced out. What the lost soul doesn’t recognize is that if they leave the host and go to the Light, they will get everything they need. Unfortunately, many lost souls, like incarnated humans, don’t believe in the afterworld and higher planes and stay stuck in the lower dimensions.

Either philosophy—the conventional or spiritual—is difficult to prove, but those suffering from personality disorders have nothing to lose by trying a depossession, though the stronger the dark forces with the person, the more likely they will find an excuse to avoid it.


https://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/schizophrenia-could-be-demonic-possession
Amity December 30, 2021 at 10:02 #636615
Quoting jamalrob
As she gently stroked the cat’s chin, she wondered what it was like for an animal to be touched by a strange human hand, and to be spoken to in sounds it would never understand.

This ending is perfect, a kind of mirroring of her own visitations.


Yes - I glimpsed that fleetingly but it didn't touch down.
Glad you boomeranged it back :sparkle:

Amity December 30, 2021 at 10:45 #636622
Quoting Amity
Did she have all the necessary tools to hand to look inside her head ?
The interaction between body and mind.

The importance of sleep, diet etc....
How thorough was she ? 'Countess factors' is a bit vague...
As a vet, did she think to contact medical professionals ?
For blood chemistry samples, for starters.
Or was she biased - due to her belief system ?


I mentioned blood chemistry samples above and missed out other important factors/history.
Blood chemistry is taken to determine if there might be a physical cause or another health problem.
My understanding is that this is usually a first step at a GP - before potential referral to specialists. Extreme cases will be glaringly obvious and need urgent treatment, often resisted.

Further information:

Quoting ncbi: information about mental illness and the brain
Mental Illnesses are Diagnosed by Symptoms
Unlike some disease diagnoses, doctors can't do a blood test or culture some microorganisms to determine whether a person has a mental illness. Maybe scientists will develop discrete physiological tests for mental illnesses in the future; until then, however, mental health professionals will have to diagnose mental illnesses based on the symptoms that a person has.

Basing a diagnosis on symptoms and not on a quantitative medical test, such as a blood chemistry test, a throat swab, X-rays, or urinalysis, is not unusual. Physicians diagnose many diseases, including migraines, Alzheimer's disease, and Parkinson's disease based on their symptoms alone. For other diseases, such as asthma or mononucleosis, doctors rely on analyzing symptoms to get a good idea of what the problem is and then use a physiological test to provide additional information or to confirm their diagnosis.

When a mental health professional works with a person who might have a mental illness, he or she will, along with the individual, determine what symptoms the individual has, how long the symptoms have persisted, and how his or her life is being affected. Mental health professionals often gather information through an interview during which they ask the patient about his or her symptoms, the length of time that the symptoms have occurred, and the severity of the symptoms.

In many cases, the professional will also get information about the patient from family members to obtain a more comprehensive picture. A physician likely will conduct a physical exam and consult the patient's history to rule out other health problems.
Baden December 30, 2021 at 21:35 #636929
Wow, some really in-depth commentary already. Won't pretend I'm going to add to that. I think the author is a lover of literature and has read a lot. This comes across in the density of metaphor and description, which really draws the reader into the mood here. So, kudos for that. My critique would be that it's actually a bit over heavy on metaphor/simile and this comes across as a bit awkward in places even when I appreciate what's being reached for.

E.g.

Quoting Baden
She slowly turned and watched it disappear like a reverse tornado in slow motion, dissolving into the golden morning sun pouring through her bedroom window


Here, the grammar allows for the subject of the simile to be both 'it' and 'she'.

Suggestion: maybe...

"In slow motion, it disappeared before her, dissolving like a reverse tornado into the golden morning sun."

Amity December 30, 2021 at 21:45 #636934
Quoting Baden
Suggestion: maybe...

"In slow motion, it disappeared before her, dissolving like a reverse tornado into the golden morning sun."


Wow. And I had thought the original beautiful.
This is :100: :clap:

Shows the importance of masterful editing.
Or having the extra time to polish to a shine :sparkle:
Makes good writing even better.

@Baden Next up, TPF class in advanced writing skills ?



Baden December 30, 2021 at 23:22 #636980
Reply to Amity

Ah, cheers. I was a writing teacher and editor for while. Haven't figured out the word count thingie yet but other than that I could probably come up with the odd hopefully helpful suggestion.
Amity December 30, 2021 at 23:42 #636990
Quoting Baden
I was a writing teacher and editor for while


Lucky students. It makes all the difference in the world to have a great teacher who can inspire.


Quoting Baden
Haven't figured out the word count thingie yet but other than that I could probably come up with the odd hopefully helpful suggestion.


:grin:
I need help to :zip:
Noble Dust December 31, 2021 at 01:38 #637031
Quoting Amity
That sounds like you don't have much faith in 'Science' whatever you think that is.


I do have faith in science; I think one problem is that a lot of folk are unwilling to admit that it IS a type of faith. This can compound into an almost religious fervor, something I used to rail about when I posted more often. All I’m saying in relation to the discussion of schizophrenia is that I remain open to different explanations of what causes it, and I don’t limit myself within a physicalist/materialist position with these things.
Caldwell December 31, 2021 at 02:02 #637036
Quoting Baden
My critique would be that it's actually a bit over heavy on metaphor/simile and this comes across as a bit awkward in places even when I appreciate what's being reached for.

That's fair.
It's good and tiring at once because of the heavy use of metaphor. Or shall I say, a nasty habit of metaphor? As a reader, my brain had to keep braking and reversing. I like Laura, but didn't get to know her enough.
Amity December 31, 2021 at 07:46 #637154
Quoting Noble Dust
That sounds like you don't have much faith in 'Science' whatever you think that is.
— Amity

I do have faith in science; I think one problem is that a lot of folk are unwilling to admit that it IS a type of faith.


I am guilty of carrying my comments way too far. Why I said to @Baden I need help to :zip:
But I just need to stop getting so carried away...it gets tiresome...for me too :wink:
So, this is relevant for another thread and time:
https://www.allaboutscience.org/science-and-faith.htm
I'll leave it there. No more distraction from discussion:

Quoting Caldwell
Or shall I say, a nasty habit of metaphor?


I think that unfair. The story is not all metaphor.
I think its use (yeah, a bit overwhelming) to describe the heavy, scary hallucinations helps create the increasing atmosphere of fear :scream:

Quoting Caldwell
As a reader, my brain had to keep braking and reversing. I like Laura, but didn't get to know her enough.


The sentence Baden used:Quoting Baden
She slowly turned and watched it disappear like a reverse tornado in slow motion, dissolving into the golden morning sun pouring through her bedroom window.


I agree that Baden, the expert editor, turned this round to great effect:
"In slow motion, it disappeared before her, dissolving like a reverse tornado into the golden morning sun."
The author will certainly appreciate this constructive feedback. I want to know how @Baden did that. Which sentence parts/phrases are looked at first; spotting the errors, the process involved.
Are there specific 'rules' to follow in the final polishing of a story ? *

Where in the story did you have to keep reversing and why, specifically?

As for getting to know Laura 'enough', how much more information would you need ?
She is a complex creature if you listen and try to feel. I would say 'get under her skin'...
The subway scene, the stress, the sensations all became so real or surreal to me.

Metaphors. Some simply live and breathe them. A recent thread showed me just how much they are used without any of us realising. Fascinating.

Interesting to compare the experience of reading and how words affect us. Thanks.

* I know, I know. There's plenty info on the web, like this:
https://researchwriting.unl.edu/editing-analyzing-your-writing-strengths-and-weaknesses







Caldwell December 31, 2021 at 19:48 #637340
Quoting Amity
Metaphors. Some simply live and breathe them. A recent thread showed me just how much they are used without any of us realising. Fascinating.

Metaphors are fascinating -- if used cleverly and wisely. Just my taste. We do it all the time.
Amity December 31, 2021 at 20:02 #637349
Reply to Caldwell
Noted. Having a different taste is fine. But to say it's a 'nasty habit' used by the author is quite something else.

Did you miss these questions about your criticism ?
It doesn't matter if you can't/don't want to respond.

Quoting Amity
Where in the story did you have to keep reversing and why, specifically?

As for getting to know Laura 'enough', how much more information would you need ?



Caldwell December 31, 2021 at 20:07 #637353
Quoting Amity
Having a different taste is fine. But to say it's a 'nasty habit' used by the author is quite something else.

You missed the humor in the metaphor -- "heavy use of" and "nasty habit"??? i.e. Drugs?? :smirk:
Those are words we commonly describe the big D.

I'll respond to your other questions later.
Noble Dust January 01, 2022 at 06:21 #637526
Quoting Amity
So, this is relevant for another thread and time:
https://www.allaboutscience.org/science-and-faith.htm
I'll leave it there. No more distraction from discussion:


I'm assuming you're not a Bible-thumping creationist? Did you look into this website? From their "about" section:

We write compelling websites that reach out to skeptics, seekers, believers, and a hurting world with powerful evidence for God and the Good News of Jesus.


https://www.allaboutscience.org/about-us.htm
Amity January 01, 2022 at 07:01 #637533
Quoting Noble Dust
I'm assuming you're not a Bible-thumping creationist? Did you look into this website? From their "about" section:
We write compelling websites that reach out to skeptics, seekers, believers, and a hurting world with powerful evidence for God and the Good News of Jesus.


I didn't look at the About section but the article exposes them for what they are.
At first glance, the website looks sane. Online self-improvement; spirituality and mental health.
It would attract the unsuspecting to their ranks.
I only did a quick internet search as a follow-up to our discussion.
See my earlier comment:

Quoting Amity
I had meant to add something about schizophrenia.
Along the lines of: Gone are the days when the evil spirits were beaten out of the sufferer.
But, are they ?
I found this rather disturbing:


To say the least !

180 Proof January 04, 2022 at 13:57 #638624
Caveat: We (can) become what we do (and what we pretend). This stray cat appreciates stranger treats. "As above, so below .. muthafuckas!" :mask:
Nils Loc January 10, 2022 at 01:24 #640703
Poor Laura seems to be dealing with a kind of sensory overload. Between these animal visions/hallucinations and the harsh flow of the world outside, how does she cope? It's double trouble from both sides of the world's navel.

She's an unwitting/potential shaman of sorts, with some link between healing animals in the mundane world and these visitations. Maybe these are just the spirits she's failed to save and so they linger/trouble her.

The closing paragraph calms me as I imagine Laura's relief. The treatment of the cat feels like it anchors her down but she also has just gotten off the gritty public train full of noisy/harsh panhandlers.

A storm and then a calm, perhaps with feline friendly oxytocin release. Life is can be better with animals (if you don't stress over their care).





Amity January 10, 2022 at 09:37 #640796
Quoting Nils Loc
It's double trouble from both sides of the world's navel.


Yeah. Hubble-bubble, toil and trouble. Witchery-woo, boo-hoo :scream:

For sure, she's had her share of woes but not all the visitations seem to cause her pain.

Quoting Baden
She lay for a few moments, basking in the rare but familiar feeling. All the years of emotional weight, trauma, and stress lifted momentarily from her psyche. She felt the weightlessness of some forgotten childhood morning in which the entire world was brimming with the energy of a beehive...
[ ... ]
Only once, she had felt the warm kiss of a massive thoroughbred horse on her ear, and heard its stately, operatic breathing as it galloped away. She longed for that moment, but these peaceful episodes were too rare.
[ ... ]
It had become a form of torture, the beautiful moments as much or more so than the macabre.


Then again, she sees them as torture. Why put up with this ? Is it a form of self-harm ? What happened in her life ?
I'm reminded of Lucia in the Plum story. The 'fantasy prone personality'. FPP.
Something I hadn't heard of before - these short stories are fantastic, are they not ?

Quoting Nils Loc
The closing paragraph calms me as I imagine Laura's relief. The treatment of the cat feels like it anchors her down


I needed to re-visit:

Quoting Baden
“Hi there,” she whispered. As her fingers brushed the soft fur, the cat winced and pulled away slightly. “It’s ok, it’s ok.” As she gently stroked the cat’s chin, she wondered what it was like for an animal to be touched by a strange human hand, and to be spoken to in sounds it would never understand. Remembering her tardiness, she stood up, feeling renewed, and walked on.


Yes, being able to comfort and be comforted by the cat renews her spirit.
Taking care of animals gives her a sense of worth, otherwise missing.

Quoting Nils Loc
how does she cope?


Partly her work.
I wonder if she avoids taking any medication which might help her ?




Noble Dust January 14, 2022 at 23:31 #643148
Quoting Amity
'Astro the Rottweiler'.
(What's in a name, huh ?)


This wasn't intentional. :lol:

Quoting Amity
Why would it peer? A psychic analysis ? Her 'underbelly' ?


I didn't really think too hard about that; I was just having it climb over her. I needed it to progress in some way.
Noble Dust January 14, 2022 at 23:34 #643152
Quoting john27
So
instead of a delusionary experience, to me it would seem its much closer to an intricate, precise understanding of our reality.


Can you expand on that? I know you already did, but still not sure I follow, but I'm curious to know more.

Quoting john27
The story in and of itself seems to be talking about the intrinsic difference's between animal and humankind, and that the sense of distance isn't as far as it seems.


:up: That was part of the intention, I would say.
Noble Dust January 14, 2022 at 23:38 #643157
Quoting jamalrob
The visitations themselves are mysterious and disturbing, because it's not clear how real they are. It's the fact that they lie somewhere in between reality and illusion that hooks the attention.


I'm glad it read that way; that was the goal.

Quoting jamalrob
This ending is perfect, a kind of mirroring of her own visitations.


:ok: Thanks, glad someone picked up on that!

This was actually the first sentence of the story I wrote:

Quoting Baden
she wondered what it was like for an animal to be touched by a strange human hand, and to be spoken to in sounds it would never understand.


Noble Dust January 14, 2022 at 23:40 #643160
Reply to Baden

Great critical feedback, thank you. I agree, and want to work on toning down the flowery language. With less of it, the good bits will hit harder, I suspect.
Baden January 14, 2022 at 23:43 #643162
Reply to Noble Dust

Cool if it helped some. :up: It deserved a more substantial commentary tbh. I was kind of in lazy mode at the time.

Jamal January 15, 2022 at 07:25 #643331
Quoting Noble Dust
I'm glad it read that way; that was the goal.


Quoting Noble Dust
Thanks, glad someone picked up on that!


I hesitated before posting those comments because I doubted my interpretations. Glad I overcame that. With the ending, I didn't work it out by thinking, it just struck me immediately and strongly.
john27 January 15, 2022 at 11:18 #643368
Quoting Noble Dust
Can you expand on that? I know you already did, but still not sure I follow, but I'm curious to know more.


The series of visitations reminded me of a shamanic, maybe ritualistic experience that had to deal with the dream world (presumably), and I correlated the dream world to a "higher","better" understanding of reality. I guess my thinking is pretty similar to that of aboriginal traditions where they commune with their animalistic gods through the use of cannabis and heavy meditation.


Noble Dust January 15, 2022 at 18:44 #643493
Reply to john27

I'd say you're not too far off. I certainly didn't consciously think it through to that extent before writing it. The whole concept for this story actually comes from watching humans interact with pet animals and wondering what their experience is like. And then from there, imagining humans having the same experience that the pets have, somehow...in this case, manifesting as larger-than-life animals making physical contact with Laura; "petting" her, so to speak.
Noble Dust January 15, 2022 at 18:46 #643494
Reply to john27

And these visitations could be interpreted as higher forms of consciousness, yes, that's implicit, but I hope it's open-ended enough to be interpreted however you will.
john27 January 16, 2022 at 12:49 #643759
Quoting Noble Dust
The whole concept for this story actually comes from watching humans interact with pet animals and wondering what their experience is like. And then from there, imagining humans having the same experience that the pets have, somehow...in this case, manifesting as larger-than-life animals making physical contact with Laura; "petting" her, so to speak.


Ahh I see. That's pretty interesting.

Quoting Noble Dust
And these visitations could be interpreted as higher forms of consciousness, yes, that's implicit, but I hope it's open-ended enough to be interpreted however you will.


Yeah you did good on that :up:
Noble Dust January 17, 2022 at 04:37 #644101
A few more thoughts:

Quoting Amity
All the senses surveyed in this physical and mental onslaught.
Touch, smell, hearing and sight. Taste, do we have taste ?
How real? We 'feel' them as we read...so real ? Hmmm. Surreal.
Sensory or extra-sensory perception ?
The author isn't scared to explore the psyche or supernatural and still incorporate the scientific.
Mind over matter ?


I didn't even think of almost all senses being involved in the visitations. Thanks for pointing that out. I think I was trying to make them "real" without making them fully real...

Glad you "felt" them. That's certainly the goal. But also surreal, yes. Toting the line. Sort of like dreams that happen on the borderland of waking, that leave you with a feeling of the dream being more real than reality. If you've every woken up and felt like you've come from reality back into some sort of gray twilight zone...

Quoting Amity
What is it about L-aura...an aura-l attraction?


Haha, again, strange. Fruedian slip?

Quoting Amity
Laura is looking for love...like an animal...


I didn't think of that, and the connection to the "lizard brain", again, seems serendipitous. Very interesting.

Quoting Amity
Is that why she chose her occupation as a vet ? She has empathy - psychopathy - an empath.


I think in this instance she's selfishly needing the affection of an animal to calm her nerves. Combined with her final thought of "what is it like for an animal to feel a foreign human touch/hear it's voice", I wanted to create a mirroring of her own visitations, as @jamalrob noticed. The story actually more or less began with this dichotomy in mind.

And I think you got there with this thought:

Quoting Amity
Who else wonders as they take comfort from a cat just how heavy a human hand might be?


Anyway, felt like I overlooked a few of your thoughts and wanted to address them.
Amity January 17, 2022 at 09:22 #644178
Quoting Noble Dust
Anyway, felt like I overlooked a few of your thoughts and wanted to address them.


A welcome re-visitation.

Quoting Noble Dust
Glad you "felt" them. That's certainly the goal. But also surreal, yes. Toting the line. Sort of like dreams that happen on the borderland of waking, that leave you with a feeling of the dream being more real than reality. If you've every woken up and felt like you've come from reality back into some sort of gray twilight zone...


Dream/reality/nightmare...

Last night, I woke from an intensely vivid dream.
My first thought? Wow, that would make a great story!
Then, I wondered about all the stories here...and how they came into being.
@Baden's 'Maria' seems like a recurring dream of work anxiety or anger?
I still get this kind of dream even after retirement.

So, @Nils Loc's suggestion about Laura being revisited by unsaved animals has a ring of truth:

Quoting Nils Loc
She's an unwitting/potential shaman of sorts, with some link between healing animals in the mundane world and these visitations. Maybe these are just the spirits she's failed to save and so they linger/trouble her.


Laura was late for work a few times from 'oversleeping'.
Any nightmare visitations might cause sleep disturbance.
So, she only falls into a deep sleep at dawn...

Quoting Noble Dust
Great critical feedback, thank you. I agree and want to work on toning down the flowery language. With less of it, the good bits will hit harder, I suspect.


Yes, @Baden is an experienced editor.
For sure, there are parts that might need toning down or re-arranging to great effect.
However, your expressions I think reflect the florid nature of visual hallucinations.
Psychosis in full bloom. It's scary and violent; the sharpness not readily smoothed...

I would say be true to yourself and Laura. It felt real to me, just as it came...
Your story rewards on any revisit.
Thanks :sparkle:




Tobias January 17, 2022 at 13:35 #644218
The story which I submitted to the story contest back in the day of PF was actually based on a dream I had. A scary one actually. One other story that I have not (yet) submitted resulted from the research I did when writing a master thesis for criminology. In the feedback on my current story the inspiration for that one is recounted. So in my case inspiration comes from many quarters, but the dream has been an especially fruitful one. That was also my best short story I think.
Amity January 17, 2022 at 14:00 #644230
Quoting Tobias
The story which I submitted to the story contest back in the day of PF was actually based on a dream I had. A scary one actually.


I wonder if some of the old PF stories will make their way to the new 'Short Stories' category in the 'Symposium'.

Quoting Tobias
That was also my best short story I think.


Do you still have it?

Quoting Tobias
...a master thesis for criminology.


Now that is an area I'd be keen to hear more about.

Quoting Tobias
So in my case inspiration comes from many quarters, but the dream has been an especially fruitful one.


Yes, inspiration can hit from anywhere I guess. All life experience and aspects.
It's being aware and able to express using a range of vocabulary and styles...
...that is what enthralls me.

This has been an eye-opener. Glad I stuck around.



Tobias January 17, 2022 at 14:17 #644242
Quoting Amity
I wonder if some of the old PF stories will make their way to the new 'Short Stories' category in the 'Symposium'.


Quoting Amity
Do you still have it?


Yes I do. I am proud of it because it won the competition that year. Sorry for mentioning that, but I am as vain as the next person, maybe even more so. :worry: I will not post it first though, because I think the better writers should come forward first. (And of course, I am afraid it will be shot full of holes...)

Quoting Amity
Now that is an area I'd be keen to hear more about.


Criminology is an infinitely interesting subject. Unfortunately in a cruel twist of fate, environmental law became my research field. The question is what would you like to know about it?

Quoting Amity
Yes, inspiration can hit from anywhere I guess. All life experience and aspects.
It's being aware and able to express using a range of vocabulary and styles...
...that is what enthralls me.


Indeed, though lately I hardly write anything good. All decent texts, but dry and full of references ... I really do not like references. They are needed though. The irony is I am marking my students down for using scarce or bad references... But I digress.
Amity January 17, 2022 at 14:50 #644251
Quoting Tobias
Yes I do. I am proud of it because it won the competition that year...
I will not post it first though, because I think the better writers should come forward first. (And of course, I am afraid it will be shot full of holes...)


I think @jamalrob has still to cut the red ribbon...there's only a 'stub' in place.

How about a re-match ?! I wasn't around in ye olden days, would be interested to see how it all worked then...entries, voting, comments etc.

Quoting Tobias
Unfortunately in a cruel twist of fate, environmental law became my research field. The question is what would you like to know about it?


Another story, another time.









Noble Dust January 18, 2022 at 06:56 #644677
Quoting Amity
So, Nils Loc's suggestion about Laura being revisited by unsaved animals has a ring of truth:


I didn't think of it that way, but my philosophy here is that your interpretation is just about as valid as mine. Or at least, I guess to be more firm, no, the animal visitations aren't supposed to be dead animals she failed to save. But, I think that's a totally valid interpretation that adds a lot of nuance. When I imagine it that way, a lot of possibilities open up. So I dig it.

Quoting Amity
So, she only falls into a deep sleep at dawn...


I didn't think of that, but I think you're probably right! That mirrors my own experience when I have sleep problems.

Quoting Amity
However, your expressions I think reflect the florid nature of visual hallucinations.


Thank you. :pray:

Noble Dust January 18, 2022 at 06:59 #644682
Reply to Tobias

I actually wrote a short story years ago (maybe 10) based on a dream I had when I was like 8. I wrote a song about it in college as well. Weird how sometimes these images can be so etched on the brain.
Amity January 18, 2022 at 08:40 #644719
Reply to Noble Dust :up:
Reply to Noble Dust Do you still have them? The story and the song, perhaps even the same or similar dream?
I think our first experiences of an upset or impactful event are almost inevitably etched on the brain.
What exactly is the role of dreams in dealing with these...hmm...
There have been times when I have forced myself while dreaming to get to the end of the story.
To resolve it.
So many stories...
Tobias January 18, 2022 at 10:23 #644727
Quoting Noble Dust
I actually wrote a short story years ago (maybe 10) based on a dream I had when I was like 8. I wrote a song about it in college as well. Weird how sometimes these images can be so etched on the brain.


Dreams can be very impactful. All through my life, from I guess age 8 to I guess age 40 I had a recurring dream about running to get a subway, I always managed just to get it and was too busy looking at the destination. I would always catch it from the corner of my eye. It would be a different word always, but never the destination that should be read. It always brought me to a place where I would get lost. Still whenever I recount these dreams, even now writing about them, I get tears in my eyes. Which is odd because I do not feel emotional, or distressed or any such thing, an automatic bodily reaction akin to what happens when cutting onions.

Anyway, I trained myself to control the dream and managed to thwart it also in m dreamworld through this routine. It consisted of always when running for a subway checking if this was really a dream or reality. When I started to incorporate this action in the dream, it brought about lucid dreaming. They faded in frequency, but I still got 'visited' until well something like age 40, so 5 years ago. It ended quite spectacularly. Also another story for another time...
Noble Dust January 21, 2022 at 08:07 #645957
Quoting Amity
Do you still have them? The story and the song, perhaps even the same or similar dream?


I have a recording of the song, yes; it sucks, but I have it. The story no. I don't have the dream anymore either. It was strictly a childhood dream.

Quoting Amity
I think our first experiences of an upset or impactful event are almost inevitably etched on the brain.


I agree, but I can't trace this dream to a corollary of any impactful event in my life.