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Never been crazy in love?

dazed November 28, 2021 at 12:15 5325 views 21 comments
Tried some google searches, but nothing really came up on point.

So I figured I'd throw it in the ring here:

I am in my late 40's and I've never been crazy, head over heels in love with anyone. You know the stuff you see in the movies, can't stop thinking about them, can't wait to see them again, and can't imagine life without them. My buddy calls falling for someone this way, getting struck by a thunderbolt. I've never been struck by a thunderbolt.

I had crushes as a kid and teen and in my early 20's, but then never really crushed after that. I would be "into" a particular girl at school or work after that, but I wouldn't say it was even a crush, more like I really liked her look AND her vibe.

I've dated a lot and had four serious long term relationships. I have loved all of my partners, but never been crazy in love with any of them, none of them was the thunderbolt.

When I look at my buddies I see some of them seem to been hit by thunderbolts, but some of them haven't really.

I guess I wonder if there are certain types of people who just don't have the capacity for thunderbolt love, (my current partner actually wonders the same thing about herself). I am an only child raised by a single Mom and generally a very independent person. I wonder sometimes if I've just developed a selfhood that doesn't leave room for the kind of dependence that would come with the thunderbolt kind of love?

Anyone feel similar?

Comments (21)

180 Proof November 28, 2021 at 15:23 #625021
Quoting dazed
I've dated a lot and had four serious long term relationships. I have loved all of my partners, but never been crazy in love with any of them, none of them was the thunderbolt.

This is me too. By my early/mid-thirties I'd come to seek only casual relationships realizing that I was more consistently 'happy' single than when I was with a 'love partner'. A sapiosexual swinger aka "confirmed bachelor" by forty. In hindsight, it feels to me, now in my late fifties, that there was once a window of "crazy in love" which had opened in adolescence and closed two decades or so ago without that "thunderbolt" ever striking me (down? blind? out?), and I've never felt a loss – that I'm missing out – loving without being "crazy in love". The closest I've come to bingeing on this sweet madness, I think, are unrequited loves – I'm not ashamed to admit I've had much more than my share – who have been casual partners or friends, lovers / wives of others or near strangers. Unrequited love, the sad fierce slowburn of it (or sudden heartbreak), is about as "crazy" as I've ever gotten. Maybe because friendship has always been the most fulfilling, significant form of love for me as long as I can remember; perhaps "my heart", so to speak, has never been "open" to more (with or without "benefits"). I'm happy enough for occasional bouts "crazy in lust" and the blues I get that follows whenever she or I inevitably moves on, as they say, after a spell. Heat lightning without "thunder" shaking my nights.
god must be atheist November 28, 2021 at 15:41 #625030
Quoting 180 Proof
I've dated a lot and had four serious long term relationships. I have loved all of my partners, but never been crazy in love with any of them, none of them was the thunderbolt.
— dazed
This is me too. By my early/mid-thirties I'd come to seek only casual relationships realizing that I was more consistently 'happy' single than when I was with a 'love partner'. Serial (sapiosexual) monogamist aka "confirmed bachelor" by forty.


How long is a string?

How long can a love affair be that is termed "long term" but last a fraction of the time of the average marriage?

Love is an elusive concept, and in practice even more elusive. It is as universal as a love song, and as particular and individualistic as a person's preference to food, clothing, job, hobbies and vacations, all combined.

Crazy love is possible, but its probability diminishes with age. And if you taste the sweet fruit of promiscuity, you are in a bind as to how to settle down.

I was in a long term relationship for 26 years, but it was punctuated with intermittent bouts of promiscuity. And now for my old age -- I'm 34 y.o.a. now -- I've finally settled down wiht a woman. We've been steadily dating for five years, in total loyalty and marital fidelity.

Is it good? It's the sweetest thing. Do I miss promiscuity? You bet I do. I practice the wisdom of the ninteen eighties or nineties, though. The particular pearl of wisdom has a name: The Rockefeller syndrome. It goes like this: Never do anything that you would not want to be caught doing dead. Rockefeller was a prominent politician, I think he had ran for the POTUS, and he had a wife who had lost both her breasts to mammarian cancer. Then Mr. Rockefeller was found dead when he was making out with a prostitute.
James Riley November 28, 2021 at 18:07 #625095
I was. Some adults called it "puppy love." But it was every bit as real as any other love I have experienced, and it was as, or more compelling in it's own way. However, time heals all wounds, if you let it. Other loves have shown me that I'm glad I did not get what I prayed for. I would have "stalled". We would have had a Bonny and Clyde thing goin on. Or just stalled. My soul mate is the Earth.
TheMadFool November 28, 2021 at 18:13 #625097
Love, I learned the hard way, doesn't pay the bills.
SatmBopd November 28, 2021 at 18:43 #625117
Hmm. Well if soul mates exist, maybe some of us just don't happen to meet them.
180 Proof November 28, 2021 at 18:50 #625123
"Soulmates" betray, domestically violate and divorce each other every day.
baker November 28, 2021 at 18:53 #625127
Reply to dazed What's the significance of putting this thread in General Philosophy?
Yohan November 28, 2021 at 22:03 #625234
Quoting baker
?dazed What's the significance of putting this thread in General Philosophy?

Maybe I can help make the topic more philosophical.
Is love really a form of going crazy? Or, is love an altered state of consciousness?
If everyone were rational, would there be no love in society?

James Riley November 28, 2021 at 22:08 #625239
Quoting 180 Proof
"Soulmates" betray, domestically violate and divorce each other every day.


The quotation marks are appropriate. :wink: True Scotsman and all that.
god must be atheist November 28, 2021 at 22:13 #625243
Quoting 180 Proof
"Soulmates" betray, domestically violate and divorce each other every day.


And there are soulmates who do not do that. I am not naysaying, I just don't want you to carry away the thought.
Tobias November 28, 2021 at 22:15 #625247
Quoting Yohan
Maybe I can help make the topic more philosophical.
Is love really a form of going crazy? Or, is love an altered state of consciousness?
If everyone were rational, would there be no love in society?


Love I think is eminently rational. The mind wishes for a relationship to the world. If it would be otherwise, it would run up against the limits of itself, and solipsistically (or narcisisitacally) would olnly be confronted by itself vis a vis a meaningless world. It finds this relationship in another in which it recognises itself as a similar mind, looking for similar things. It bridges the world as 'other' and hence strange, and makes it 'an other alike oneself'.

A short edit. We do not all act rational in love, but that simply shows that our relatonshio to the world is not one of ratio, but of intimacy, desire. Love is rational in so far as the feeling is comprehensible as a structural feature of our world.
180 Proof November 28, 2021 at 22:18 #625252
Reply to baker
Quoting Yohan
Maybe I can help make the topic more philosophical.
Is love really a form of going crazy? Or, is love an altered state of consciousness?
If everyone were rational, would there be no love in society?

When in doubt about "love" :broken: ...

... and so on and so on. :eyes:
Tobias November 28, 2021 at 22:36 #625271
Hmmm, Zizek says it all while he figets with his shirt... The rationalty of love is redeemed by its falling into unreason, because only the fall presents to us a glimpse of what is real. Love negates reason, but it is reasonable that it does so... Our avoidance of the fall makes us unreasonable, wanting to have our cake and eat it too...
coolazice November 29, 2021 at 01:58 #625342
Let's be honest: love is for poets, not philosophers. One more reason I'm not a philosopher...
180 Proof November 29, 2021 at 07:32 #625376
Quoting Tobias
Our avoidance of the fall makes us unreasonable, wanting to have our cake and eat it too...

Guilty as charged. :yum:
baker November 29, 2021 at 20:06 #625609
Reply to 180 Proof I can't take him seriously. He fidgets too much, his surname spelled properly means a type of bug that lives in beans, and spelled with z's means 'titty', his English pronounciation is poor, he's been married to too many pretty women. And he fidgets too much.
180 Proof November 29, 2021 at 21:26 #625652
Reply to baker

My God, to be brutally honest, it's just Z's Obscene Ideology! And so on and so on ... :monkey:
john27 November 29, 2021 at 22:52 #625688
Reply to dazed

I've been hit by a thunderbolt, but can't seem to remember exactly what it felt like.

My most prominent memory of that time was listening to "What You Won't Do For Love" by Bobby Caldwell, for six months straight.
180 Proof February 05, 2022 at 06:19 #651507
Quoting 180 Proof
Maybe because friendship has always been the most fulfilling, significant form of love for me as long as I can remember; perhaps "my heart", so to speak, has never been "open" to more ...

https://philosophynow.org/issues/148/Iris_Murdoch_and_The_Mystery_of_Love
Deleted User February 06, 2022 at 04:43 #651899
Reply to 180 Proof

Rare as is true love, true friendship is rarer.

La Fontaine

L'éléphant February 08, 2022 at 04:40 #652535
Quoting dazed
My buddy calls falling for someone this way, getting struck by a thunderbolt. I've never been struck by a thunderbolt.

Not like a thunderbolt, but yeah. I had it, too. Deep fondness. It's crazy.