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Anxiety explained with physics

hope August 07, 2021 at 16:35 7800 views 52 comments
A painful inner vibration

What happens when an unstoppable force hits an immovable wall? It creates a vibration.

What happens when nurture and nature collide? It creates a vibration. We call this "anxiety".

Nurture = Your current beliefs.
Nature = Your genetic shape.

When your current beliefs contradict your genetics it's like an unstoppable force hitting an immovable wall. It will create a painful inner vibration known as "anxiety".

Basically stop doubting and hating yourself, and start accepting and loving yourself, and your anxiety will be gone. You will then be calm instead of vibrating :grin:

Comments (52)

javi2541997 August 07, 2021 at 17:03 #576766
Reply to hope

Søren Kierkegaard.:The anxiety is intense when the person is most original.


Check this out: Kierkegaard and Existentialism
hope August 07, 2021 at 17:12 #576769
Søren Kierkegaard.:The anxiety is intense when the person is most original.


Original = different, and difference from others can increase self doubt.

So that quote just proves my original point.
Joshs August 07, 2021 at 18:35 #576821
Reply to hope Quoting hope
Basically stop doubting and hating yourself, and start accepting and loving yourself, and your anxiety will be gone.


What if most of your anxieties concern the welfare of those around you that you care about?
hope August 07, 2021 at 18:40 #576824
Quoting Joshs
What if most of your anxieties concern the welfare of those around you that you care about?


That's fear not anxiety.

Fear of loss, fear of harm, etc...

Fear is helpful.

Anxiety is caused by your irrational self doubt and self hate related to those things, triggered by those things, etc...

Joshs August 07, 2021 at 18:50 #576834
Reply to hope Quoting hope
Anxiety is caused by your irrational self doubt and self hate related to those things, triggered by those things, etc...


You just made that up. Do you have any sources for this peculiar definition of anxiety? It seems to me all you’re doing is trying to distinguish a neurotic from a healthy anxiety. You could do the same thing with all other emotions, including joy.
dimosthenis9 August 07, 2021 at 18:52 #576836
Quoting hope
That's fear not anxiety.


Isn't anxiety caused by fear? What are you talking about?

Quoting hope
Basically stop doubting and hating yourself, and start accepting and loving yourself, and your anxiety will be gone.


Sorry my friend but you sound like one of those life coaches, who are to philosophers what mall security guys are for actual police men.
hope August 07, 2021 at 18:53 #576837
Quoting Joshs
distinguish a neurotic from a. healthy anxiety.


Fear and anxiety are two different things. Otherwise why have two different words?

Fear is a natural response to prediction of external harm. Anxiety is something else.


hope August 07, 2021 at 18:54 #576838
Quoting dimosthenis9
Sorry my friend but you sound like one of those life coaches, who are to philosophers what mall security guys are for actual police men.


Not everything has to be complicated to be true. Also deeper explanations can be requested and given.
Joshs August 07, 2021 at 18:59 #576840
Reply to hope Quoting hope
Fear is a natural response to prediction of external harm. Anxiety is something else.


Yes, I think fear and anxiety can be usefully distinguished. Fear involves the anticipation of imminent, serious harm or loss. Anxiety involves the anticipation of an event that may produce a less severe harm or loss , and is not as imminent. Anxiety is worry, rumination, apprehension, restlessness. Anxiety over the upcoming medical test can turn to fear once the result is known. Both fear and anxiety can be described as neurotic or healthy, depending on the circumstances.
hope August 07, 2021 at 19:04 #576846
Quoting Joshs
Fear involves the anticipation of imminent, serious harm or loss. Anxiety involves the anticipation of an event that may produce a less severe harm or loss


The strength and duration of the fear doesn't change the fact that it is still fear and not anxiety.



Joshs August 07, 2021 at 19:20 #576853
Reply to hope You seem to be be forcing these labels into the two categories you want to see them as. You want to describe worry over everything bad that may happen to one’s loved ones as fear, and worry over one’s own self as anxiety. And you want to call the former healthy and the latter unhealthy. But this isnt generally how most psychologists define these terms. They see
Anxiety as pervasive in modern society. It reflects our struggle to cope with a fast paced, constantly changing world that we are desperately trying to predict and stay one step ahead of. The quality of this feeling, they argue , is different than the intensity and immediacy of fear. That is why it is is suited to modern times , where immediate dangers to survival are uncommon, but an endless series of smaller threats abound.

hope August 07, 2021 at 19:23 #576855
Reply to Joshs

Sure. The more perspectives and knowledge on the subject the better. But that does not invalidate mine.

Also maybe mine is better, and all the others are coming form the very ignorance mine attempts to expose and remove.

Joshs August 07, 2021 at 19:25 #576856
Reply to hope Quoting hope
Also maybe mine is better, and all the others are coming form the very ignorance mine attempts to expose and remove


That’s cause you Da Man
hope August 07, 2021 at 19:26 #576859
Quoting Joshs
That’s cause you Da Man


Or maybe I just think longer and deeper.
Joshs August 07, 2021 at 19:35 #576864
Reply to hope Quoting hope
Or maybe I just think longer and deeper.


work it
Joshs August 07, 2021 at 19:38 #576867
Reply to hope Seriously though. Aren’t you ever kept up at night tossing and turning over concerns about the future? Do you worry about getting older, about illness,? What about work related anxiety, like an upcoming performance review, or conflicts with other employees? Do you have anxiety about speaking in public? Do you get nervous before a sports competition? Do you worry you won’t have enough money to pay the bills , to pay off debt or for retirement?
hope August 07, 2021 at 19:43 #576871
Reply to Joshs

Nobody worries about those things. They just think they do because they are ignorant of the real underlying source and cause of the worry. So they blame all sorts of other things and spend their lives chasing illusions. They try to use self-esteem to fix lack of self acceptance. And conditional self-esteem is always a shaky construction therefore prone to causing worry.
Joshs August 07, 2021 at 19:55 #576875
Quoting hope
They try to use self-esteem to fix lack of self acceptance. And conditional self-esteem is always a shaky construction therefore prone to causing worry.


You can’t have self-acceptance without self-understanding. And you can’t have self-understanding without an understanding of your world, particularly your social world and you place in it. And you can’t come to a realization of what needs to be understood about your relationships with other people , how and why they care or don’t care about you, without feeling social anxiety. Social anxiety lets us know what we are puzzled about , what we need to work on. It can be an extraordinarily creative emotion because it shakes us out of our complacency and pushes us to change and grow. I don’t know anyone who achieved healthy self-acceptance without allowing themselves to be open to anxiety and to use it to learn about themselves.
Self acceptance isnt easy. It is an endless process of development.
hope August 07, 2021 at 20:01 #576877
Quoting Joshs
Self acceptance isnt easy. It is an endless process of development.


Or maybe it's about realizing your creator is a billion times vaster than you are so you have no right to doubt or hate yourself.

Apollodorus August 07, 2021 at 20:09 #576882
Quoting hope
Basically stop doubting and hating yourself, and start accepting and loving yourself, and your anxiety will be gone. You will then be calm instead of vibrating :


Well, all my anxieties have disappeared just by reading that. :wink:

And, I'm not sure if this is good or bad, but I've definitely stopped vibrating.

BTW, would it be possible to know where you've read all this stuff?



hope August 07, 2021 at 20:12 #576883
Quoting Apollodorus
Well, all my anxieties have disappeared just by reading that.


You're anxieties will disappear by learning how to apply it.

Quoting Apollodorus
would it be possible to know where you've read all this stuff


It's my own theory.

Daniel August 07, 2021 at 20:13 #576884
Reply to hope

Where is the Physics in your post?
Joshs August 07, 2021 at 20:14 #576885
Reply to hope Quoting hope
Or maybe it's about realizing your creator is a billion times vaster than you are so you have no right to doubt or hate yourself.


That’s just going to make you feel worse when you do inevitably doubt or hate yourself.
hope August 07, 2021 at 20:14 #576886
Quoting Daniel
Where is the Physics in your post?


What happens when an unstoppable force hits an immovable wall? It creates a vibration.

This is fundamental to the nature of reality. An eternal balance of equally opposing forces underlined by vibration.
Apollodorus August 07, 2021 at 20:15 #576887
Quoting hope
You're anxieties will disappear by learning how to apply it.


But what happens if you have no anxieties or don't act on them?

Joshs August 07, 2021 at 20:15 #576888
Reply to Apollodorus Quoting Apollodorus
BTW, would it be possible to know where you've read all this stuff


Apparently somewhere in Leviticus
Daniel August 07, 2021 at 20:16 #576889
Reply to hope

Vibrations would require the wall to be movable.
hope August 07, 2021 at 20:16 #576890
Quoting Joshs
inevitably doubt or hate yourself.


Then more fully realize what I said so all the traces will be permanently removed.
hope August 07, 2021 at 20:17 #576891
Quoting Apollodorus
what happens if you have no anxieties


Then you don't need this post.
hope August 07, 2021 at 20:17 #576893
Quoting Daniel
Vibrations would require the wall to be movable.


No it's not movable, but it is made of smaller things, like everything in this universe.

This smaller things dimension is what creates time and change.
Apollodorus August 07, 2021 at 20:18 #576894
Quoting Joshs
Apparently somewhere in Leviticus


But apparently it's @hope's own theory.

hope August 07, 2021 at 20:18 #576895
Quoting Joshs
Apparently somewhere in Leviticus


I don't read books, I write them for others to read.
Apollodorus August 07, 2021 at 20:20 #576896
Quoting hope
Then you don't need this post.


That's OK then.

Daniel August 07, 2021 at 20:21 #576897
This post gave me anxiety.
Apollodorus August 07, 2021 at 20:21 #576898
Quoting hope
I don't read books, I write them for others to read.


And which books are those, if I may ask?

Apollodorus August 07, 2021 at 20:22 #576899
Quoting Daniel
This post gave me anxiety


Maybe you should try the books then. Or maybe not ....

Joshs August 07, 2021 at 20:32 #576903
Reply to hope God knows all the answers. You don’t. That means, unless you abdicate your self responsibility to live your own life. you’re going to have to get up tomorrow morning like all the rest of us and deal with the normal day to day conflicts, frustrations and confusions. You will not call these anxieties because that would make you an unbeliever. If you did call these anxieties you might be prompted by these feelings to try and achieve a deeper understanding of others that would alleviate some of the conflicts, frustrations and confusions. Since you won’t call these
expereinces anxieties , how will you respond to them? Will you assume it is all part of the greater plan and simply accept the conflicts? Will you pray for guidance and try to change your world or your thinking about the world?
dimosthenis9 August 07, 2021 at 20:36 #576905
Quoting Apollodorus
Maybe you should try the books then. Or maybe not ....


Can I bet to the "maybe not" case?
Apollodorus August 07, 2021 at 20:38 #576907
Quoting dimosthenis9
Can I bet to the "maybe not" case?


You can indeed. I might do that myself.

hope August 07, 2021 at 20:41 #576909
Quoting Joshs
You will not call these anxieties


There is a subconscious fear level and a surface fear level.

Neither are anxiety.

Anxiety is deeper than both.
Hanover August 07, 2021 at 20:45 #576912
Quoting hope
Or maybe it's about realizing your creator is a billion times vaster than you are so you have no right to doubt or hate yourself


Bitachon. Look it up.
Apollodorus August 07, 2021 at 20:55 #576914
Quoting Hanover
Bitachon. Look it up.


Bitachon cures anxiety?

Hanover August 07, 2021 at 20:58 #576916
Quoting Apollodorus
Bitachon cures anxiety?


Absolutely. It's the key. But you've got to believe. Emunnah isn't for everyone.
Apollodorus August 07, 2021 at 21:02 #576920
Reply to Hanover

Right. But I thought it was physics? And it's supposed to be @hope's own theory.
dimosthenis9 August 07, 2021 at 21:02 #576921
Quoting Hanover
Absolutely. It's the key. But you've got to believe. Emunnah isn't for everyone.


You should have never opened such dark gates. Now anxiety seems to be our lightest problem.
hope August 07, 2021 at 21:12 #576925
Quoting dimosthenis9
You should have never opened such dark gates. Now anxiety seems to be our lightest problem.


Dark Night of the Soul
Hanover August 07, 2021 at 21:19 #576930
Quoting Apollodorus
Right. But I thought it was physics? And it's supposed to be hope's own theory.


Hope's theory is exactly as it ought to be in order for this conversation to be as it is. That's what bitachon demands. There are no "buts." Rephrase your sentence in a positive way. Tracht gut vet zein gut I always say.

How can there be anxiety if we trust every blade of grass is exactly positioned for its purpose? I credit Hope for bringing this up.

Positivity.
Apollodorus August 07, 2021 at 21:39 #576938
Quoting Hanover
How can there be anxiety if we trust every blade of grass is exactly positioned for its purpose?


Well, I've never been a particularly anxious sort of person, to be quite honest. But I can imagine that trust can have a soothing effect on those who are.

Joshs August 07, 2021 at 22:29 #576960
Reply to Hanover Quoting Hanover
How can there be anxiety if we trust every blade of grass is exactly positioned for its purpose? I credit Hope for bringing this up.


Prior to Darwin, biologists believed that God created each species to be exactly suited to its purpose. It was a simple, ordered scheme. They didn’t try to explain the relations between species because it didn’t occur to them to look for such relations. So we have two entirely different kinds of ordered schemes in the pre-Darwinian and the Darwinian model. Similarly, a fundamentalist religious view could post that God put evil in this world to give humans the opportunity to exercise free will. In this approach, the ordered scheme of the world is one of good vs evil. Like the pre-Darwinian model, it doesn’t try to probe the relation between those who do ‘evil’ and those who do ‘good’ because it doesn't occur to it that good and evil are value judgements arising g out of relatively shifting cultural contexts.
My point is that it is not enough to believe in a perfect schematic order of the world. The question is how that order is accessible to us, and what the nature of the order is. One could say that God made every person to be positioned for their purpose just as every blade of grass is positioned for its purpose. But that could mean that one sees each person as either good or evil , of a good character or bad character. In that case, one may believe that anxiety is unnecessary because all is explained. But all one has done is trade anxiety for a resigned, accepting suffering. Why? Because one has settled for a rigid explanatory scheme that fails to make sense of people’s behavior in anything but the most superficial terms.

hope August 08, 2021 at 00:39 #577076
Reply to Joshs

Forest for the trees.

I was created by something a trillion times greater then your minds doubts.

Therefore not only do I have no self doubts, but the very things you doubt are my greatest strengths.
Joshs August 08, 2021 at 02:20 #577161
Reply to hope Quoting hope
Forest for the trees.

I was created by something a trillion times greater then your minds doubts.

Therefore not only do I have no self doubts, but the very things you doubt are my greatest strengths


I am much happier thinking of my self as something self-creating and re-creating rather than being created by a being outside myself whose knowledge I can never have complete access to. I also have no desire for access to ‘greatness’ , only for intimate, intricate, gentle and peaceful relational understanding of others.
hope August 08, 2021 at 03:56 #577203
Quoting Joshs
whose knowledge I can never have complete access to


I AM it's knowledge

I look within myself and I see a fabrication by omniscience.

I don't need knowledge of my own because I'm already perfect and complete as I AM.

and anyone who contradicts my being is automatically and instantly proven ignorant. Because my being comes from something a trillion times greater than the doubts and judgments from a limited human mind.

When you go beyond your own doubts and judgments you will simultaneously go beyond all doubts and judgments from every mind on earth.