Behavior can be against nature but nature can never be against behavior, which leads to my larger point. Just as one man's trash is another man's treasure, one man's idea of order is another man's idea of chaos. Without creating an enveloping obfuscation of both my point and yours in a fog of semantic divinity as I call it, well to be honest your question seems to be two unrelated questions. We have the age-old "nature vs. nurture" conundrum alongside the follow-up of, regardless of the answer to this question, is it chaos that defines one or the other?
Definitely a head-scratcher. Everything has an order to it, at least in some way, even if we fail to extract any real meaning from it. Before we understood what we now do about how many aspects of the world works around us, it was gods and magic. Depending on your interpretation, man brought chaos to order by simply being unable to understand it, which brought at least a sense of order to what was previously thought of as chaos. It's a real double-edged sword. I don't know how something works, so I might putter around with it some, and come up with an explanation that's not easily disprovable and makes people smile and nod their head. Is this a victory for chaos or order? The debate rages on.
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The peace of Westphalia (1648) was a watershed event for Human Nature.
Pre-statistics, we couldn't tell precisely whether there was such a thing as Human Nature. In this period, all we could say were things like, some people are good, some people like violence, and so on but Human Nature, to be real, requires statements like most/all people like meat, most/people believe in a deity, etc.
Post-statistics, surveys on what people like/want/need/would do/etc. could be conducted with the statistical rigor befitting them, analyzed, and inferences could be drawn based on them. Human nature then became a topic in its own right. I suppose many such studies have shown that Human Nature exists as should be evidenced by how the majority (most people) conduct themselves given suitably designed scenarios.
Reply to hope Everything has an ultimate nature. The question is How predictable human behavior in the physical world is If you assume nothing about a particilar individual. Is order or chaos the best way to describe How any particular individual behaves?
Is Most of our behavior determined by human nature or can the general behavior of humans be best described by random chaos?
I can't speak for others but I don't find this question coherent. What is random chaos? What is human nature? What do you mean by determined? And how would you measure this?
Is order or chaos the best way to describe How any particular individual behaves?
Is this a false dichotomy? How would you determine what is order and what is chaos and how do you establish the causal role either might play in behaviour?
Reply to dimosthenis9 I appreciate your honesty, because humans tend to be defensive with regards to deep questions as though They’re significant. The only thing that makes humans special is that we have free will.
The only thing that makes humans special is that we have free will.
Yet few will ever truly understand this. Is a lion not the king of the jungle? A whale or shark the king of the ocean? If a tiny one-celled virus decimates humanity, is that not now the apex predator with free will? Until you embrace what you were given, you have neither freedom nor will, simply convenient or rather circumstantial will. And this, is what defines an animal and so differentiates a human.
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Until you embrace what you were given, you have neither freedom nor will, simply convenient or rather circumstantial will. And this, is what defines an animal and so differentiates a human.
Freedom of will means more burdens on why we do anything at all.. Not so sure that's better that rote instinctual responses to stimuli and rather predictable behavior.
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Human nature is random chaos.
They share some common principles. But yes no fixed way at all.
Yeah but that doesn't mean that it isn't a chaos also.
Behavior can be against nature but nature can never be against behavior, which leads to my larger point. Just as one man's trash is another man's treasure, one man's idea of order is another man's idea of chaos. Without creating an enveloping obfuscation of both my point and yours in a fog of semantic divinity as I call it, well to be honest your question seems to be two unrelated questions. We have the age-old "nature vs. nurture" conundrum alongside the follow-up of, regardless of the answer to this question, is it chaos that defines one or the other?
Definitely a head-scratcher. Everything has an order to it, at least in some way, even if we fail to extract any real meaning from it. Before we understood what we now do about how many aspects of the world works around us, it was gods and magic. Depending on your interpretation, man brought chaos to order by simply being unable to understand it, which brought at least a sense of order to what was previously thought of as chaos. It's a real double-edged sword. I don't know how something works, so I might putter around with it some, and come up with an explanation that's not easily disprovable and makes people smile and nod their head. Is this a victory for chaos or order? The debate rages on.
The peace of Westphalia (1648) was a watershed event for Human Nature.
Pre-statistics, we couldn't tell precisely whether there was such a thing as Human Nature. In this period, all we could say were things like, some people are good, some people like violence, and so on but Human Nature, to be real, requires statements like most/all people like meat, most/people believe in a deity, etc.
Post-statistics, surveys on what people like/want/need/would do/etc. could be conducted with the statistical rigor befitting them, analyzed, and inferences could be drawn based on them. Human nature then became a topic in its own right. I suppose many such studies have shown that Human Nature exists as should be evidenced by how the majority (most people) conduct themselves given suitably designed scenarios.
randomness is just a pattern to big to see
the more chaos you see is the more ignorant you are
I can't speak for others but I don't find this question coherent. What is random chaos? What is human nature? What do you mean by determined? And how would you measure this?
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Is this a false dichotomy? How would you determine what is order and what is chaos and how do you establish the causal role either might play in behaviour?
Yet few will ever truly understand this. Is a lion not the king of the jungle? A whale or shark the king of the ocean? If a tiny one-celled virus decimates humanity, is that not now the apex predator with free will? Until you embrace what you were given, you have neither freedom nor will, simply convenient or rather circumstantial will. And this, is what defines an animal and so differentiates a human.
Freedom of will means more burdens on why we do anything at all.. Not so sure that's better that rote instinctual responses to stimuli and rather predictable behavior.
Open a psychology book and you'll read about yourself following predictable patterns.