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Combining rationalism & empiricism

EnsambleMark March 10, 2021 at 09:08 6175 views 24 comments
Hello all,

I am a new member on this forum, I have started reading Ernest Becker's Denial of death, is there a combined theory that unites rationalism and empiricism?

I fell the two work together

Comments (24)

norm March 10, 2021 at 09:11 #508528
Reply to EnsambleMark
Maybe you'd like Kant?
Pfhorrest March 10, 2021 at 09:14 #508529
Quoting EnsambleMark
is there a combined theory that unites rationalism and empiricism?


Quoting norm
Maybe you'd like Kant?


:100:

The conflict between "Rationalists" and "Empiricists" is pretty much only a Modern era (i.e. pre-Kantian) historical thing that doesn't really exist anymore. The contemporary parallel of it would be more like Analytic vs Continental instead, but even that is already getting pretty dated.
norm March 10, 2021 at 09:22 #508533
Reply to Pfhorrest
The dated issue is a good mention. If I was in the OP's position, I'd probably benefit most by lots of link hopping for a big-picture-view of what's going on and zoom in on the stuff that grabbed me. The only mistake is to read something that bores you. Trust your juices!

For a strong enough reader, I think A Thing Of This World is great tour from Kant to Derrida. For someone with less experience reading philosophy, The Story of Philosophy is pretty great. It's where I was first exposed to Hume and Kant and it inspired my love for philosophy. Also Durant is just a good writer, with a narrating personality that adds to the book.
180 Proof March 10, 2021 at 09:27 #508534
Reply to EnsambleMark Welcome to TPF.

Spinoza (especially his three kinds of knowledge). Or Susan Haack (re: foundherentism).

Good luck.
EnsambleMark March 10, 2021 at 09:48 #508538
Reply to norm wow, this is an active forum, ty 180 Proof for your welcome.

The Story of Philosophy is then an introduction to their respective theories?

Quoting Pfhorrest
Pfhorrest


you mentioned Analytic vs Continental instead, but even that is already getting pretty dated...

in your opinion, is that train of though fading and if so which direction is it heading?

Mww March 10, 2021 at 11:06 #508554
Quoting EnsambleMark
I fell the two work together


This is closer to the matter.

Despite popular literature, Kant didn’t so much unite the two, as to show, beginning with himself, how they couldn’t have been separate in the first place. Kant didn’t add anything to the human cognitive system that wasn’t already there; he only informed as to its better use.
ssu March 10, 2021 at 12:36 #508589
Rationalism and empiricism. Hmm.

Would naturalism be close to that? The definition of naturalism is something like: the philosophical belief that everything arises from natural properties and causes, and supernatural or spiritual explanations don't matter. At least naturalism uses extensively empiricism in the way of using the scientific method and using empirical study.

Perhaps the writings of Quine would be something that Reply to EnsambleMark is looking for.
Olivier5 March 10, 2021 at 12:57 #508593
Reply to EnsambleMark Isn't science precisely that combination of empiricism and rationalism?
Pfhorrest March 10, 2021 at 19:25 #508692
Quoting EnsambleMark
you mentioned Analytic vs Continental instead, but even that is already getting pretty dated...

in your opinion, is that train of though fading and if so which direction is it heading?


The clash between Analytic and Continental philosophy seems to be fading, as more contemporary philosophers try to draw from both strands and work on some synthesis of them. There isn’t a clear consensus on a singular new way forward, but I think that’s going to be in the direction of Pragmatism.
Dharmi March 10, 2021 at 19:28 #508696
Quoting EnsambleMark
I am a new member on this forum, I have started reading Ernest Becker's Denial of death, is there a combined theory that unites rationalism and empiricism?


Kantianism.
Dharmi March 10, 2021 at 19:30 #508698
Quoting ssu
Would naturalism be close to that? The definition of naturalism is something like: the philosophical belief that everything arises from natural properties and causes, and supernatural or spiritual explanations don't matter. At least naturalism uses extensively empiricism in the way of using the scientific method and using empirical study.


Not at all. Naturalism is a caricature, a non-position. Empiricism and Rationalism are actual philosophical schools, naturalism is just a word atheists use when they want to sound sophisticated, when there's no content or meaning behind the term whatsoever.
ssu March 10, 2021 at 20:55 #508721
Quoting Dharmi
Not at all. Naturalism is a caricature, a non-position.

Really?

Either you ignore or simply dislike Quine.
Dharmi March 10, 2021 at 20:57 #508722
Reply to ssu

I don't ignore or dislike Quine, anymore than I ignore or dislike any other philosopher. Quine is just inconsistent with his own belief system.

He himself was a platonist, via his Indispensability Thesis. Yet, he's a "naturalist" also. He's just being inconsistent.
ssu March 10, 2021 at 21:00 #508723
Reply to Dharmi How so? Interested to hear your argument.
Dharmi March 10, 2021 at 21:03 #508726
Reply to ssu

Well, for starters, believing platonic objects exist is not naturalism.

More than that, there is definition of what naturalism is. I've always been looking for one, there is not one.
180 Proof March 11, 2021 at 01:07 #508811
Quoting Dharmi
Naturalism is a caricature, a non-position.

Another assertion without argument. A caricature (i.e. mere sophistry).
Valentinus March 11, 2021 at 01:43 #508820
Reply to EnsambleMark
What else have you read?
Dharmi March 11, 2021 at 18:44 #509027
Reply to 180 Proof

There's nothing to argue against.
180 Proof March 11, 2021 at 19:57 #509051
:point: Reply to Dharmi Dunning-Kruger in full effect.
Dharmi March 13, 2021 at 18:06 #509865
Reply to 180 Proof

I doubt it, I have several degrees and I've probably read more books in the last week than you have in your entire lifetime.

But by all means, indulge me.
180 Proof March 13, 2021 at 20:46 #509907
Quoting Dharmi
I have several degress ...

:roll:
Dharmi March 13, 2021 at 20:51 #509910
Reply to 180 Proof

Really? That's what you have to say? Don't waste my time. If you don't have a logical, philosophical, reasoned response to give, then you can go give an unreasoned, illogical, baboon mating call to some barn animal instead of wasting my time here.
180 Proof March 13, 2021 at 20:58 #509915
ssu March 14, 2021 at 00:20 #509996
Quoting Dharmi
Don't waste my time. If you don't have a logical, philosophical, reasoned response to give, then you can go give an unreasoned, illogical, baboon mating call to some barn animal instead of wasting my time here.


I think nobody will waste their, sorry, your time.

Besides, we might get blinded by the sheer radiance of your vast knowledge, we ignorant mortals. :snicker: