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Fallacies-malady or remedy?

TheMadFool February 02, 2017 at 15:15 9675 views 56 comments
As a novice myself I've read a handful of introductory books on logic. All these books always have a chapter devoted to fallacies, mistakes in reasoning. We're then repeatedly told to avoid making these mistakes if we are to be truly rational in our thinking.

Keeping the above in my mind let us now consider the theory of evolution whose basic message is we retain and pass to our progeny traits with survival advantage. If this is true am I wrong in inferring that our minds, its processes (including fallacious thinking) are life-critical traits we should be actually cultivating and reinforcing instead of avoiding and purging from or minds?

To give strength to my view let me illustrate with some examples:

1. Fallacy of affirming the consequent.
The above is a fallacy in deductive logic. Consider the following argument:

If a lion is in the bushes then the leaves will rustle
The leaves are rustling
Therefore there's a lion

While the fallacy is apparent it appears very very reasonable to use this form of inference if you were a deer or any other prey animal. It could make the difference between life and death.

2. Fallacy of hasty generalization. This is also a fallacy but think yourself as a deer. Seeing one tiger attack and devour another deer should be logically sufficient to realize tigers kill deer. In such cases NOT committing the fallacy could prove fatal for the deer.

These are just a few cases where fallacious thinking is life-saving. There could be others.

If you agree with all I've said until now don't you think we're making a mistake in so confidently blacklisting so-called fallacious reasoning?

Comments (56)

Streetlight February 02, 2017 at 15:24 #52209
No.
Chany February 02, 2017 at 15:36 #52212
No. Logic is a systematic way of dealing with propositions and their truth value. You don't get to say a rule of logic is bad or a fallacy is good just because false beliefs might generate a positive outcome.
TheMadFool February 02, 2017 at 16:04 #52216
Reply to StreetlightX Reply to Chany

Think Zeno's pardox. Logically/mathematically one CANNOT travel any distance. However one can easily walk from one place to another. This is a perfect example that our world and this universe itself is not limited in any way by our logic and its rules. That leaves plenty of room for perfectly applicable fallacious thinking.
Streetlight February 02, 2017 at 16:05 #52217
No.
Pneumenon February 02, 2017 at 16:19 #52224
A valid inductive inference can use rules that would be fallacious in pure deductive logic. The trick is knowing what to use and when.
FLUX23 February 02, 2017 at 16:29 #52229
No.
Chany February 02, 2017 at 16:46 #52238
Reply to TheMadFool

Paradoxes, like Zeno's, have potential answers.

The point is to resolve the paradox by rejecting the premises. Zeno's paradox is not really a paradox per say, but an argument meant to illustrate that changes we observe, such as motion, are illusions. Unless we can illustrate an error in Zeno's thinking in some way, it holds true.
Rich February 02, 2017 at 16:56 #52241
If fallacious reasoning is a product of millions of years of evolution, then we should cherish it.

The errors with all syllogisms is always the propositions.

Hence, take my above proposition with a grain of salt.
aletheist February 02, 2017 at 17:58 #52251
Quoting TheMadFool
If a lion is in the bushes then the leaves will rustle
The leaves are rustling
Therefore there's a lion


This is a deductive fallacy, but it is a textbook case of retroductive (or abductive) reasoning. "There's a lion" is a hypothesis, a plausible explanation for the rustling leaves. We have reason to suspect that it is true (and behave accordingly), but no warrant for claiming to know that it is true.

Quoting TheMadFool
Seeing one tiger attack and devour another deer should be logically sufficient to realize tigers kill deer.


It is logically sufficient to conclude that some tigers kill deer. Since a deer cannot know in advance whether any particular tiger that it encounters happens to be one that kills deer, it has reason to suspect that all tigers kill deer (and behave accordingly), but no warrant for claiming to know that this is the case.

The bottom line is that deductive logic is about explicating our premisses - figuring out what else we know, based on what we know that we know - not determining what actions we should take accordingly; especially in scenarios like these, where it is obviously prudent to err on the safe side rather than find out the truth of the matter.
Hanover February 02, 2017 at 18:08 #52253
I think it's been clarified here that there is a distinction between inductive and deductive logic, with the former allowing for probabilistic conclusions and the latter allowing only for necessary conclusions. It's the distinction between what is likely and what is entailed.
BC February 02, 2017 at 18:13 #52254
Quoting TheMadFool
Keeping the above in my mind let us now consider the theory of evolution whose basic message is we retain and pass to our progeny traits with survival advantage. If this is true am I wrong in inferring that our minds, its processes (including fallacious thinking) are life-critical traits we should be actually cultivating and reinforcing instead of avoiding and purging from or minds?


Evolution developed the ability to think logically--at least sometimes, in instances where there was time to think.

"Logic" isn't a product of evolution; logic is the product of our ability to think and the capacity of our culture to develop certain kinds of thinking.

In any event, when it comes to lions, tigers, and bears in the bushes, deer and humans rely on flight or fight responses which have nothing to do with logic, or thinking either.
m-theory February 02, 2017 at 18:14 #52255
Quoting TheMadFool
If you agree with all I've said until now don't you think we're making a mistake in so confidently blacklisting so-called fallacious reasoning?


It depends on what you are after.
You can have a contented healthy life even if you go about it never knowing of logical fallacies or cognitive biases.
But when you are after a deeper understanding you will not make progress until you come to terms with these shortcomings.


m-theory February 02, 2017 at 18:17 #52257
Reply to Bitter Crank
I agree here.

Evolution got us to the stone age and we were content there for thousands of years.
Critical thinking is what has allowed us to go beyond that technological level.
Terrapin Station February 02, 2017 at 18:24 #52260
Reply to TheMadFool

Logic is concerned with validity.

An argument is valid when it is impossible for the premises to be true and/or the conclusion false.

The problem with fallacies is that they do not guarantee validity.

So yeah, it's wise for an animal to assume that there's a lion in the brush if the leaves are rustling in a particular way, but it's still a fallacy because that assumption does not guarantee validity. In other words, it's possible that it's not a lion in the brush after all. Therefore that's not a valid conclusion given the premises--because the premises are true, but the conclusion could be false, and validity only obtains when it is IMPOSSIBLE for the premises to be true and/or the conclusion false.
S February 02, 2017 at 21:11 #52294
Quoting TheMadFool
1. Fallacy of affirming the consequent.
The above is a fallacy in deductive logic. Consider the following argument:

If a lion is in the bushes then the leaves will rustle
The leaves are rustling
Therefore there's a lion

While the fallacy is apparent it appears very very reasonable to use this form of inference if you were a deer or any other prey animal. It could make the difference between life and death.

2. Fallacy of hasty generalization. This is also a fallacy but think yourself as a deer. Seeing one tiger attack and devour another deer should be logically sufficient to realize tigers kill deer. In such cases NOT committing the fallacy could prove fatal for the deer.

These are just a few cases where fallacious thinking is life-saving. There could be others.


Conclusion: ban deer and other such prey from being taught logic. They must be kept dumb for the sake of their own survival.

Quoting Bitter Crank
In any event, when it comes to lions, tigers, and bears in the bushes, deer and humans rely on flight or fight responses which have nothing to do with logic, or thinking either.


No, no, no. They just didn't concentrate enough in logic class. Typical deers. The deers in my class were always slacking off. But it worked out well for them, because the clever ones ended up being devoured by lions.
mcdoodle February 02, 2017 at 21:51 #52304
Quoting TheMadFool
As a novice myself I've read a handful of introductory books on logic.


I don't think you've read these books that carefully myself. The very small one by Graham Priest all on its own will put you right, and that's despite the fact that he believes in wacky logics that few other people believe in.
VagabondSpectre February 02, 2017 at 22:42 #52319
Quoting TheMadFool
Keeping the above in my mind let us now consider the theory of evolution whose basic message is we retain and pass to our progeny traits with survival advantage. If this is true am I wrong in inferring that our minds, its processes (including fallacious thinking) are life-critical traits we should be actually cultivating and reinforcing instead of avoiding and purging from or minds?


When positions and arguments are framed properly, we call them sound and valid; not fallacious. A fallacy is by definition an argument whose conclusion we choose not to accept because it's conclusion is either not necessitated (deduction) or not made adequately likely (induction) by it's premises.

The bushes rustling for instance is decidedly NOT fallacious when one takes into account overall survival strategy and the general context in which such a decision would be taken. If lions are known to leap from rustling bushes, even in only 1/1000 instances of bush rustling (it's rare for it to actually be a lion), it will still be quite rational to presume it is a lion for safety reasons and flee none the less. Depending on the prevalence of lions, bush rustling, and the combination of the two, it might be entirely rational for a person to assume that every bush contains a lion and for survival purposes burn them all down. The (proper) conclusion is actually that there is a chance that there is a lion in the bush, and based on the adequacy of that chance, a decision is made to flee or not flee based on probability (lacking a better term). Here the fallacy is not the argument or the conclusion, it's the very acceptance of the conclusion (in deciding to flee) when it is actually not strategically productive to do so (pertaining to the goals of the individual in question).


p1.1 Meteorites could kill someone if struck by one
p1.2 Meteorites hit the earth every day
p1.3 You are on the earth

c1.1 [p2.1] You might get hit by a meteorite

c2.1 DUCK!

The first argument is sound and valid, it's precisely c2.1 that commits the fallacy here by grossly overestimating the actual likelihood of getting struck by a meteorite. We could call this a fallacy, but we could also call it a weak inductive argument. Fallacies tend to be the tricky mis-steps in the logic game which wind up being convincing. That is to say, we take pains to labels specific types of errors as certain fallacies because we need to train ourselves to avoid them.

We train ourselves to avoid fallacies because they don't work. If they worked more often than not then we would call them strong inductive arguments and happily employ them on a regular basis.

If fallacies worked we would embrace them. The precise reason why we take pains to identify and reject them is because we know from experience that they lead to unreliable conclusions. At best you might describe evolutionary endowed predispositions leading to behavior which might resemble actions resulting from fallacious reasoning (like instinctual bush paranoia vs concluding every bush rustle is a lion, or being addicted to the thrill of fishing vs the gamblers fallacy), but when we understand the logical or rational benefit of being a dedicated fisherman and a careful woodsman, we can re-frame the argument in such a way that it makes perfect sense without embracing either instinct or fallacy. How often do lions kill people by leaping out of bushes? Might want to consider not taking chances if the frequency is high enough. Never giving up fishing, during either a time of feast or famine, is always beneficial to long term survival where food is not guaranteed to always be available.

The rub here is that if you manage to present a rational argument which makes fallacious reasoning somehow beneficial to survival or other such goals, then it becomes rational to adopt the actions prescribed by the fallacious reasoning in a strictly logical and strategic way; not fallacious.
BC February 02, 2017 at 23:23 #52341
Quoting Sapientia
the clever ones ended up being devoured by lions


As well they should be. Where would predators be without stupid prey? One doesn't always feel like cleverly outwitting supper.
Rich February 03, 2017 at 00:15 #52368
The problem is not how one reads books on logic. The problem is that the use of logic in the fall world is fallacious. Logic is only useful in the academic classroom and has no usefulness beyond that. The is simply no n way to state a factual proposition.

Of course being wrong has value. It is how everyone learns, grows, and evolves. It is absolutely fundamental to human existence.

Quoting TheMadFool
Think Zeno's pardox. Logically/mathematically one CANNOT travel any distance. However one can easily walk from one place to another. This is a perfect example that our world and this universe itself is not limited in any way by our logic and its rules. That leaves plenty of room for perfectly applicable fallacious thinking.


Yes, I agree. Bergson solved the paradox by observing that true time is continuous (non-divisible) and heterogeneous. Logic can never solve these kind of problems.
TheMadFool February 03, 2017 at 05:07 #52434
So fallacies do have a important practical use.
Rich February 03, 2017 at 05:31 #52436
Reply to TheMadFool Everything has uses. They exist and if they exist they can be used for learning. But this doesn't mean that we have to learn from everything. We pick and choose.

Banno February 03, 2017 at 06:41 #52444
TheMadFool February 03, 2017 at 07:33 #52447
Quoting Rich
Everything has uses. They exist and if they exist they can be used for learning. But this doesn't mean that we have to learn from everything. We pick and choose.


Exactly. So shouldn't logicians be cautious about condemning a useful way of thinking? Fallacies are part of the repertoire of our survival skills.
Janus February 03, 2017 at 07:34 #52448
It is always such a joy seeing people live up to their titles.
TheMadFool February 03, 2017 at 07:35 #52449
Quoting John
It is always such a joy seeing people live up to their titles


Ad hominem:D...a survival skill
Rich February 03, 2017 at 12:23 #52468
Reply to TheMadFool I wouldn't say that fallacies are a necessary survival tool. I've pretty much lived my whole life without resorting to Aristotelian logic, syllogisms, etc. I recognized the weaknesses in this tool very early on in my first philosophy class (much to the consternation of my philosophy professor).

These are all just learning tools for people to explore. Every syllogism is fallacious ii one way or another. One takes away from it with what they wish.
aletheist February 03, 2017 at 14:13 #52498
Quoting TheMadFool
Fallacies are part of the repertoire of our survival skills.


Not fallacies per se, but rather types of reasoning other than deduction - e.g., retroduction (hypothesizing a plausible antecedent from an observed consequent) and induction (generalizing from individual cases).
Terrapin Station February 03, 2017 at 16:25 #52537
Quoting VagabondSpectre
The bushes rustling for instance is decidedly NOT fallacious when one takes into account overall survival strategy and the general context in which such a decision would be taken. If lions are known to leap from rustling bushes, even in only 1/1000 instances of bush rustling (it's rare for it to actually be a lion), it will still be quite rational to presume it is a lion for safety reasons and flee none the less. Depending on the prevalence of lions, bush rustling, and the combination of the two, it might be entirely rational for a person to assume that every bush contains a lion and for survival purposes burn them all down. The (proper) conclusion is actually that there is a chance that there is a lion in the bush, and based on the adequacy of that chance, a decision is made to flee or not flee based on probability (lacking a better term). Here the fallacy is not the argument or the conclusion, it's the very acceptance of the conclusion (in deciding to flee) when it is actually not strategically productive to do so (pertaining to the goals of the individual in question).


In traditional logics, probability has nothing to do with it. Reasoning is fallacious if it doesn't guarantee validity, where validity is when it's impossible for the premises to be true and/or the conclusion false.

The point of this is that this traditional approach to logic isn't necessarily very useful when it comes to making decisions, acting, etc.There it's often wiser to act on educated guesses and so on. We need modified logics to handle such situations, if we want to treat them logically.
aletheist February 03, 2017 at 16:56 #52556
Quoting Terrapin Station
Reasoning is fallacious if it doesn't guarantee validity, where validity is when it's impossible for the premises to be true and/or the conclusion false.


Only in deductive reasoning. Retroductive reasoning is valid when it produces an explanatory hypothesis that is capable of experiential testing. Inductive reasoning is valid when it proceeds in such a way that it will be self-correcting in the long run.
VagabondSpectre February 05, 2017 at 04:08 #53151
Quoting Terrapin Station
In traditional logics, probability has nothing to do with it. Reasoning is fallacious if it doesn't guarantee validity, where validity is when it's impossible for the premises to be true and/or the conclusion false.


Inductive reasoning is still reasoning. We use it all the time. Instead of making its conclusion guaranteed and therefore sound as in deductive reasoning, inductive reasoning makes it's conclusion "strong" or more likely or probable without actually necessitating it.
Terrapin Station February 06, 2017 at 19:31 #53349
Quoting VagabondSpectre
Inductive reasoning is still reasoning. We use it all the time. Instead of making its conclusion guaranteed and therefore sound as in deductive reasoning, inductive reasoning makes it's conclusion "strong" or more likely or probable without actually necessitating it.


What does that have to do with what I was saying though?
tom February 06, 2017 at 19:46 #53351
Quoting VagabondSpectre
Inductive reasoning is still reasoning. We use it all the time. Instead of making its conclusion guaranteed and therefore sound as in deductive reasoning, inductive reasoning makes it's conclusion "strong" or more likely or probable without actually necessitating it.


If inductive reasoning works, then why don't scientists use it? If you think that scientists use induction, perhaps you could give an example of a theory that was induced, and how it was induced?
Hanover February 06, 2017 at 22:02 #53367
Quoting tom
If inductive reasoning works, then why don't scientists use it? If you think that scientists use induction, perhaps you could give an example of a theory that was induced, and how it was induced?


The scientific method is inductive in its entirety.
Hanover February 06, 2017 at 22:05 #53368
Quoting aletheist
Only in deductive reasoning. Retroductive reasoning is valid when it produces an explanatory hypothesis that is capable of experiential testing. Inductive reasoning is valid when it proceeds in such a way that it will be self-correcting in the long run.


With the understanding that retroductive reasoning is a type of inductive reasoning.
aletheist February 06, 2017 at 22:22 #53370
Quoting Hanover
With the understanding that retroductive reasoning is a type of inductive reasoning.


Not at all - retroduction (or abduction) is a distinct type of reasoning that provides explanatory conjectures for deductive explication and inductive examination. I prefer the term retroduction because it proceeds "backwards" relative to both deduction (consequent to antecedent) and induction (experience to hypothesis).
tom February 06, 2017 at 22:38 #53371
Quoting Hanover
The scientific method is inductive in its entirety.


Maybe you'd care to give an example of it at work? How about a rough idea of how general relativity was induced?

What we need are the repeated observations that Einstein made, from which he induced an explanation. Then the repeated observations he made to make general relativity more likely.

tom February 06, 2017 at 22:52 #53373
Quoting aletheist
Not at all - retroduction (or abduction) is a distinct type of reasoning that provides explanatory conjectures for deductive explication and inductive examination. I prefer the term retroduction because it proceeds "backwards" relative to both deduction (consequent to antecedent) and induction (experience to hypothesis).


Whatever you call it, it's still supposed to be a method of inference: theories from data. Science on the other hand is problem solving, and there's no method for that.
Metaphysician Undercover February 06, 2017 at 22:52 #53374
Reply to tom The observations were made prior to Einstein. Relativity theory involved the inductive conclusion that all motions are relative. Einstein took another inductive conclusion, that the speed of light is always the same relative to physical objects, and produced consistency between these two, with the special theory of relativity.
aletheist February 06, 2017 at 23:03 #53376
Quoting tom
Maybe you'd care to give an example of it at work? How about a rough idea of how general relativity was induced?


Einstein hypothesized it (retroduction), he and others worked out some of its experiential consequences (deduction), and then various scientists conducted further experiments and made observations to see whether those predictions were falsified or corroborated (induction).

Quoting tom
Whatever you call it, it's still supposed to be a method of inference: theories from data.


Not exactly; it is more like the formulation of a plausible explanation for an otherwise surprising observation on the basis of other background knowledge. It typically involves making connections that had not been recognized before.

Quoting tom
Science on the other hand is problem solving, and there's no method for that.


Engineering is problem solving, and there are all kinds of methods for that. The same basic pattern of retroduction (design), deduction (analysis), and induction (testing) is evident.
aletheist February 06, 2017 at 23:07 #53377
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
Relativity theory involved the inductive conclusion that all motions are relative. Einstein took another inductive conclusion, that the speed of light is always the same relative to physical objects, and produced consistency between these two, with the special theory of relativity.


These were both retroductions (experience to hypothesis), not inductions (hypothesis to experience). Inductive experimentation requires a retroductive theory and its testable deductive predictions before it can even begin.
tom February 06, 2017 at 23:34 #53380
Quoting aletheist
Einstein hypothesized it (retroduction), he and others worked out some of its experiential consequences (deduction), and then various scientists conducted further experiments and made observations to see whether those predictions were falsified or corroborated (induction).


So, GR was not inferred from data. We know this to be historically true.

Einstein worked out some crucial tests - the classical tests of relativity. Putting the word (induction) is meaningless.

The crucial test is of central importance in the methodology of science. It pits two rival theories against each other in an attempt to render one of the theories non-problematic. The theories render each other problematic up to that point.

Quoting aletheist
Not exactly; it is more like the formulation of a plausible explanation for an otherwise surprising observation on the basis of other background knowledge. It typically involves making connections that had not been recognized before.


As I said, theory from data. Science on the other hand works from problem to solution, without method. The method solely deals with how the solutions are treated.

Back to general relativity, what was the surprising observation, and how was the explanation inferred from it?

Quoting aletheist
Engineering is problem solving, and there are all kinds of methods for that. The same basic pattern of retroduction (design), deduction (analysis), and induction (testing) is evident.


So you don't think the unification of GR and QM is a problem? Each theory renders the other problematic due to certain mutual inconsistencies. There has never been an observation, surprising or otherwise, that calls either into question.
tom February 06, 2017 at 23:46 #53384
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
The observations were made prior to Einstein.
,

What observations?

Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
Relativity theory involved the inductive conclusion that all motions are relative.


Are you claiming this is not true for Newton's Laws?
Metaphysician Undercover February 07, 2017 at 00:29 #53390
Quoting aletheist
These were both retroductions (experience to hypothesis), not inductions (hypothesis to experience). Inductive experimentation requires a retroductive theory and its testable deductive predictions before it can even begin.


Just to let you know, I don't agree with this. Induction is not "hypothesis to experience". It is a generalization derived from experience, such as a law in the sense of a law of physics, like Newton's first law of motion for example. It does not need a prior hypothesis, with experimentation, it only requires observation. So I don't believe that an inductive conclusion requires a retroductive theory. Nor do I believe that one can make such a clear distinction between a retroductive and inductive principle.

Quoting tom
What observations?


The observations I am talking about are the observations concerning the motions of bodies made by physicists prior to Einstein, such as Ptolemy, Copernicus, Kepler, etc.. Relativity was developed by Newton and Galileo. The fact that the motions of the solar system could be described by either the geocentric or the heliocentric models, is an indication that motion is relative.

Quoting tom
Are you claiming this is not true for Newton's Laws?


No I'm not claiming any such thing, that's why it's called Newtonian relativity.
tom February 07, 2017 at 00:32 #53391
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
Einstein took another inductive conclusion, that the speed of light is always the same relative to physical objects


What were the observations that led to that inductive conclusion?
aletheist February 07, 2017 at 01:28 #53402
Quoting tom
So, GR was not inferred from data. We know this to be historically true.


You are the one who insists on defining retroduction as "inferring from data." I describe it as "formulating an explanatory hypothesis," which is exactly what Einstein did.

Quoting tom
Einstein worked out some crucial tests - the classical tests of relativity.


That was deduction, and the actual testing was induction.

Quoting tom
Science on the other hand works from problem to solution, without method.


Claiming this over and over again does not make it true. There is no deterministic route from a perceived problem to a single "right" solution - not in engineering, and not in science.

Quoting tom
Back to general relativity, what was the surprising observation, and how was the explanation inferred from it?


I am not a historian of science, so you tell me - what motivated Einstein to develop his theory? What problem was he trying to solve? What reason did he have to doubt the theories that were already in place?

Quoting tom
So you don't think the unification of GR and QM is a problem?


What gave you that idea?

Quoting tom
Each theory renders the other problematic due to certain mutual inconsistencies. There has never been an observation, surprising or otherwise, that calls either into question.


How about the fact that each theory renders the other problematic due to certain inconsistencies? That seems rather surprising, hence the desire to find a way to unify them.
aletheist February 07, 2017 at 01:43 #53405
Reply to Metaphysician Undercover

I obviously disagree, but I see no point in arguing about it. There is a reason why the scientific method is also called the hypothetico-deductive method. Newton's laws were just explanatory hypotheses (retroduction) until they produced testable predictions (deduction) that were subsequently corroborated by experiments and observations (induction).
Metaphysician Undercover February 07, 2017 at 03:40 #53425
Quoting aletheist
Newton's laws were just explanatory hypotheses (retroduction) until they produced testable predictions (deduction) that were subsequently corroborated by experiments and observations (induction).


Newton's laws were not written as hypotheses, to produce testable predictions in order to determine the reliability of the hypotheses. They were written as statements of fact, laws. These laws were intended to act as premises from which deductive reasoning could proceed. Since these laws were assumed to be true, the conclusions derived were also assumed to be true. To describe them as explanatory hypotheses is just a false representation.
tom February 07, 2017 at 08:38 #53448
Quoting aletheist
How about the fact that each theory renders the other problematic due to certain inconsistencies? That seems rather surprising, hence the desire to find a way to unify them.


Yes, a theoretical problem is discovered and solutions to the problem is sought. Just like general and special relativities. No observations were involved surprising or otherwise. The methods of science are employed once the theory is proposed.
Numi Who February 18, 2017 at 00:28 #55556
Reply to TheMadFool

CONSIDER YOUR ERRONEOUS EXAMPLE

You gave the 'lion in the rustling bush' as an example of a 'fallacy', which is a fallacy in itself - for you would not know if your guess was a fallacy or not until you were eaten or not, so you could not use 'fallacy' as a 'tool'. What your guess was in that situation was a PROBABILITY, which you COULD use as a tool.

FALLACY AS A TOOL

Yes, you can use fallacy as a tool - for causing action (or motivation). As such, even when false, it may lead to a desired outcome (and this is what you were questioning).





TheMadFool February 18, 2017 at 02:34 #55625
Reply to Numi Who I'm not referring to the deliberate and deceptive use of fallacies. Rabble rousers and sophists have employed dubious tactics using fallacies from times immemorial. In this regard the term fallacy is apt.

My concern is that so-called fallacies may not be real fallacies at all. Like in my example a deer may be saved by committing the fallacy of affirming the consequent thereby endorsing it as a valid type of reasoning.
aletheist February 18, 2017 at 02:47 #55633
Quoting TheMadFool
Like in my example a deer may be saved by committing the fallacy of affirming the consequent thereby endorsing it as a valid type of reasoning.


And like I said, it is a valid type of reasoning - retroductive reasoning, rather than deductive reasoning. The conclusion is thus merely plausible at best, rather than certain.
jorndoe February 18, 2017 at 03:04 #55639
Deductive, Inductive and Abductive Reasoning (TIP Sheet; Butte College)

Our natural modus operandi involves lots of "unsafe" reasoning (induction, abduction).
In fact, we wouldn't get far if we insisted on "safe" reasoning (deduction) only.
Yet another reason that justification (like evidence) is important in knowledge claims.
TheMadFool February 21, 2017 at 17:05 #56598
Reply to aletheist So, there's no such thing as fallacious reasoning then?!
TheMadFool February 21, 2017 at 17:07 #56599
Reply to jorndoe So, no such thing as a fallacy then?
aletheist February 21, 2017 at 17:16 #56601
Quoting TheMadFool
So, there's no such thing as fallacious reasoning then?!


Where did I say that? I was addressing your specific examples, which are indeed fallacious as deductive reasonings, but valid as retroductive or inductive reasonings. It all boils down to the purpose of the reasoning. If you want to guarantee that you will only derive true conclusions from true premisses, then you go with deduction. If you merely want to formulate a plausible hypothesis, then you go with retroduction. If you want to test a hypothesis, then you go with induction, but only after deductively explicating it to derive experimental predictions.
jorndoe February 22, 2017 at 21:14 #56839
Quoting TheMadFool
So, no such thing as a fallacy then?


There is. (See @aletheist's response, or look up examples, or I could post some I suppose, once time permits.)