To the benefit or detriment of the state.

Shawn February 28, 2021 at 01:59 2150 views 7 comments

Why didn't ol' Socrates just say whether my actions contributed to the benefit or detriment of the state and simply expose the thirty tyrants?

We wouldn't be associating him with a martyr any bit had this been explicitly asked to his defense?

Comments (7)

Valentinus February 28, 2021 at 02:09 #503878 0 likes

The charge was brought forward as corrupting youths. And he more or less accepted that he was guilty as charged. A struggle between generations, if you will.

Shawn February 28, 2021 at 02:11 #503879 0 likes

Reply to Valentinus

Different times, eh?

Valentinus February 28, 2021 at 02:14 #503881 0 likes

Reply to Shawn
Maybe not so much.

Gus Lamarch February 28, 2021 at 02:18 #503882 0 likes

Quoting Valentinus

And he more or less accepted that he was guilty as charged.

"Honor" is a concept that is currently unknown.

Valentinus February 28, 2021 at 02:26 #503887 0 likes

Reply to Gus Lamarch
I disagree.
What was done by removing our enemies requires something else. That is the central thesis in Plato's Republic.

Gus Lamarch February 28, 2021 at 03:10 #503900 0 likes

Quoting Valentinus

I disagree.

Honor is one of the noblest principles that a logical and rational conscience can get. It is no accident that the ancient Greeks focused so much on their traditions.

A man without honor is the same as an irrational animal.

We have intelect, and we have the consciousness needed to know that we have intelect, therefore, we shouldn't act only by our instincts.

Apollonian vs Dionysian, or as we label it:

"Ancient Greece"

TheMadFool February 28, 2021 at 04:12 #503913 0 likes

Reply to ShawnSocrates was never in the business of proving things - he probably considered that quite impossible given how ignorant everyone, including himself, was/is/will be.