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What was Sauron's aim?

baker February 25, 2021 at 13:38 1625 views 7 comments
Technically, this is a discussion about an ethical problem, but given the literary reference, I'll place it here:

What was Sauron's aim?

What motivated him?

Okay, he wanted to rule the world. But why exactly? And why with the help of those filthy orcs?

How much of Tolkien's narrative about good and evil, is, basically, just Tolkien's Christian background talking, and how much of it is relevant outside of that context?

Comments (7)

frank February 25, 2021 at 14:46 #502996
Reply to baker
Sauron grew up in a typical Ainur family. Some say he was radicalized during his years as a soldier during WW1, but the truth is, Sauron harbored a disease of the soul which has its roots deep in the the story of creation.

Sauron thinks he's totally isolated from the rest of the world, so the world looms in his imagination as a potential threat. Put simply, he wants to control the world to protect himself. He is not able to trust anyone. At times, he just wants to give up and destroy the world instead of trying to control it.

This is why it's not as evil as it looks to work with Sauron. We don't want to leave him desperate.
180 Proof February 26, 2021 at 06:06 #503210
Quoting baker
What was Sauron's aim?

Enslave, or destroy, all Eldar and Edain.

What motivated him?

Perhaps 'the lost cause' – Morgoth's Wrath.

Okay, he wanted to [s]rule the world[/s]. But why exactly?

WWMD. :death:

And why with the help of those filthy orcs?

"You go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time." ~Donald Rumsfeld

How much of Tolkien's narrative about good and evil, is, basically, just Tolkien's Christian background talking, and how much of it is relevant outside of that context?

All of it. Manichaen duality, taijitu yinyang, Hegelian dialectic (Chaoskampf), harmony-dissonance (re: Ainulindalë), etc ...
Changeling February 26, 2021 at 07:01 #503218
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praxis February 26, 2021 at 21:04 #503369
I remember thinking who would want to rule a world of orcs?
Outlander February 28, 2021 at 07:21 #503940
Quoting baker
basically, just Tolkien's Christian background talking, and how much of it is relevant outside of that context?


How much of this OP is just baker's atheist background talking, and how much of it is relevant outside of that context. OH. All of it. :lol:
Noble Dust February 28, 2021 at 07:28 #503943
Reply to baker

Uh, Sauron's aim is pretty clear in the books.

Quoting baker
How much of Tolkien's narrative about good and evil, is, basically, just Tolkien's Christian background talking, and how much of it is relevant outside of that context?


So if you want to talk about this, that would be a separate discussion.
baker February 28, 2021 at 12:16 #504008
What I'm slowly getting at is that the narrative of the struggle between good and evil might not be universal, might not be a given, and that it might be possible to conceive of life and morality in very different terms than in the terms of said narrative.