Philosophyforums.com refugees
After the old defunct philosophyforums.com was sold and was no longer maintained I kind of quit doing the whole philosophy forum thing altogether (also there was personal stuff I had to take care of). However I noticed that some of the old forum members are at this forum (instead of another forum that I have been visiting) and wanted to reach out and talk a little bit to see who else is here. :D
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In case you don't know, we set up this forum specifically for PF members when it was sold back in 2015. Many of us suspected things wouldn't turn out well over there.
Thanks. :D
I remember getting a email or PM about many forum members relocating to another site, but that was before the site stopped working and other issues that required my attention and caused me to stop posting for awhile. By the time I started posting again it had been awhile since I got the message and wasn't sure where to find it to use the link to get here.
Anyways I'm just glad to see someplace that has some of the old forum members in it. :)
Welcome back.
Wow, that was a long time ago. Way before my time. Although, even for me it has been 7 years, which also seems like a long time ago.
Anyway, welcome.
I wish. That'd make me 21, which is actually how old I was when I joined PF. But people often assume that I'm about that age anyway, and are surprised when I tell them my age. Apparently I look several years younger than I am.
Handsome young lad, what can you do :D
Are you coming on to me? ( >:O )
Kinda funny...
Really?! You're willowz?! I remember that guy. Never knew. (Or maybe I did, but forgot).
Yes I want to grab you by the :-x >:O
Yes but you had special powers there... you used to send fucking anonymous messages... I was very jealous of your powers >:O
:o
(L) (L) (L)
>:O
Not sure in what part of Britain people say it like that. Up North, perhaps.
There be dragons.
Yeah, I kinda changed a lot since then. I guess L. Wittgenstein does that to you. Quietism for the win!
Fock you, we say Up 'ere.
forums.philosophyforums.com sure seems like a ghost town now.
(Think I may have joined in 2008 or thereabouts.)
For-profit or otherwise, regular maintenance/attention is required.
@Paul and the admins/mods did a pretty good job of that.
So you're 28. :P
In fact that's exactly true. That's why we all left PF... >:O
It had no borders!!
We must build a big firewall!
And PF will have to pay for it - most important! (Y)
And an end to the aborting of threads too. I'm sick and tired of grabbing people by the idea only to have them murder their unwanted ops.
[quote=Animal Farm by George Orwell]ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL, BUT SOME ANIMALS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS.[/quote]
[quote=1984 by George Orwell]The old civilizations claimed that they were founded on love or justice. Ours is founded upon hatred. In our world there will be no emotions except fear, rage, triumph, and self-abasement.[/quote]
[quote=1984 by George Orwell]To die hating them, that was freedom.[/quote]
On a lighter (and funnier) note:
"INAUGURATION DAY" — A Bad Lip Reading of Donald Trump's Inauguration (4m:26s youtube)
Some sort of vetting is necessary in any event, since the US cannot be expected to take in all the refugees in the world indefinitely. Resources are finite and would be better employed trying to solve the problems that are causing the refugee crisis to begin with. One of them is the lack of a strong military presence on the ground, which was completely taken away by Obama against the advice of the military. The transition to democracy takes time, but Obama never gave it time to develop in Iraq. We have had large, now arguably superfluous, military forces in Germany and Japan for more than half a century, which originally helped their transition to peaceful democracies after WWII. Yet we completely pulled out of Iraq in its infancy and left them to the dogs of ISIS who seized on the military vacuum.
Agreed. This is part of the "sovereignty" deal. Sovereign nations not only can, but have a responsibility to control their borders. If they don't want short or left-handed people, they don't have to admit them.
Quoting unenlightened
There is--the establishment clause. The Government can not "establish" a religion like the Church of England or Islam. (This was added to protect religion from the state, not just the other way around.)
Quoting Thorongil
The current Islamic persecution of Christians is closely connected to the 1979 Islamic revolution in Iran, the Shiite / Sunni civil war after the collapse of the Saddam Hussein regime in Iraq, and ISIS and Al Qaeda in the middle east and elsewhere, like Nigeria. The percentage of Christians still living in the middle east has fallen from 10% (1900) to about 3% today. Israel and Lebanon are the only two middle east countries where Christians are free to practice their religion.
Yazidis and Zoroastrians also experience continuing oppression under Islam.
Quoting Thorongil
And nobody else can either. There are scores of millions of refugees from all sources, not just the million or so that made it to Europe recently.
Refugee advocates have a vested interest in refugee settlement. Groups like Catholic Charities and Lutheran Social Services are responsible for a lot of the settlement activity, for which they are paid under contract with the State Department. Aside from contracts, advocates are highly focused on whatever their particular issue is.
Have we decided that economic migrants and refugees are a force of nature which are no more controllable than the weather? What are India and Burma going to do when Bangladesh finally floods later in this century? Burma almost certainly will be unable to help a lot; India hasn't solved it's own envirommemtal problems, let alone taking on an influx of 30 million rising-ocean refugees.
True, which is why they need to be spread around. At the moment, the Arab states and Turkey have not done their fair share of taking in refugees.
Quoting Bitter Crank
It would appear so. A crusader during one of the Albigensian massacres once allegedly said: "Kill them all; God will sort them out." The modern, uncompromising refugee advocate merely replaces the word "kill" with "accept," while retaining the same unwarranted, absurd faith in a just and happy outcome.
From memory, something like 8/10 ISIS victims have been Muslims. More?
There's been refugees fleeing the onslaught with small children, walking the highways of Europe. Children that ought be learning how to read and write and add numbers, in a stable environment, instead.
I'm sure there's a ... non-zero chance of a terrorist hiding among them ... apparently to the bad luck of the remaining majority.
Might as well admit that discrimination is being implemented, based on the likes of (ir)religious affiliation, culture, or whatever.
Quoting jorndoe
Yes, that's exactly what it is, and there's nothing wrong with it, as I have already shown. The only way for it to be wrong would be if all religions and cultures were equal, whereby one isn't any better or worse than another, in which case choosing between them for immigration purposes would be arbitrary and irrational. But they are not equal and so it is not irrational to discriminate.
Are you a mathematician? :-O
There are a plethora of reasons for the refugee crises, the historical, access to weapons, foreign factious interference and your uneducated generalisations is painful to read. If anything, the violence is far more profitable for the US but security and economics associated with war should never outweigh the life of a human being. 5000 people who drowned in 2016 in their attempt to find somewhere safe would not have taken that risk if their concerns for their own safety were not serious. Focusing on the root causes is the sustainable option for implementing change.
I work with refugees and I have heard stories directly from young girls telling me that they witnessed someone getting beheaded publicly or that they were raped or that they witnessed a family member die. They deeply appreciate the opportunity being here and much more than the privileged who spend their time and money on the fleeting completely oblivious to the world at large.
How on earth you managed to connect a refugee advocate to something like kill them all; God will sort them out is just unfathomable to me.
Shhh... not so loud.
Dragons with victim mentalities
An ‘unthinking advocate’ are the kinds that are uncompromising apologists defending that moron and the conservatives as a whole by justifying the most inane, discriminatory policy by utilising the tactic of blaming advocates for their dedication to human rights.
Projection, much?
Welcome dc. Good to see another former PF reg row ashore. (Y)
And a bit late, but welcome too @TimeLine.